Comments on: Supernatural 4.2 Review: Failure is Not an Option

By: Melanie

Melanie — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:06:49 +0000

Where did all this Sam/Dean-let-the-demons-out nonsense come from? It’s like a crazy game of telephone that has spun out of control and has somehow become truth.

Jake opened the Hell’s gate. Jake let the demons out. The gate would have opened if Sam and Dean had decided to go to Vegas that day, rather than try to save the world. Albeit, they weren’t able to stop it — but they weren’t responsible for it being opened.

I would like everyone in the SN verse to stop blaming them for opening the gate and letting all the demons out. They didn’t. PLUS, they managed to kill a major badass demon (Azazel/YED) in the process.

By: carebear

carebear — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:15:40 +0000

Katie….Sam WILL be in next weeks episode. I just don’t know how much, but there are promo shots clearly showing him with Ruby.

By: Em

Em — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:01:14 +0000

Dean and Sam are not responsible for unleashing evil last season. Just because Isaac blamed them for it(when he wasn’t even there) does not mean they are or ever have been responsible. We saw with our own eyes what happened. Jake opened the gate, Jake let out the demons. The only thing Dean, Sam, Bobby and Ellen are responsible for is not being able to stop him in time and I didn’t exactly see any OTHER hunters around trying to stop him. He was going to do that whether or not Dean, Sam, Bobby and Ellen were there, in fact he would have done it and then gone on to be their general.

As for Dean’s self worth issues, I didn’t see them in this episode. They were all taunted, they were all affected. They all helped stop the effects of the witnesses. Only someone who was truly arrogant, which Dean is not, would not wonder “Why me?” upon being told an angel from God gripped them tight and raised them from perdition, it’s got nothing to do with self-esteem. What I saw was Dean saying “Yeah I’ve done some good things, saved some lives but helloo? Why would that rate there being any good reason to pull me out of Hell after I’d made a deal of my own free will to go there?”

As for Sam, I’ve seen plenty of character development for him. Most of the first half of Season 3 focused on Sam’s feelings, and yes much of it was about his feelings regarding Dean’s deal and how that made him feel, but most of the previous two seasons Dean’s character development focused on Dean’s reacting Sam’s situation and at the time we were certainly told over and over again that was a great storyline and just as important as Sam’s destiny(all of which he still had last season and we learned about some of it). Even after that with Mystery Spot, Ghostfacers, Time is on My Side and No Rest for the Wicked – we saw how Sam was feeling, what he was willing to consider. That’s character development people. I tend to think it’s less that Sam hasn’t gotten any character development and more that perhaps some people don’t like the character development he has gotten and prefer to ignore it and say it didn’t happen.

By: KayDee

KayDee — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:52:21 +0000

Katie – Considering Sam has been keeping secrets about their – notice I said THEIR – mother for the past 2 seasons, having Dean go back and see his mother and father is only fair play. And if you’ve missed the growth and action regarding Sam, then I have no idea which show you’re watching, because you’re not watching supernatural. Watch, don’t watch … only you really care about that one. But if you insist on the melodramatics, go to the Sam forum at supernatural.tv.com. I’m sure there’s a thread for those who can’t seem to see how much Sam has changed over the last season. Otherwise, how about sparing the general supernatural fandom who love both guys the tantrum?

By: KayDee

KayDee — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:40:23 +0000

While this episode was more low-key than the dynamic S4 premier, I didn’t construe it as an angsty episode for the boys; not even for Bobby. They were caught off guard, sure. But I didn’t interpret their shows of sorrow at loosing people as pity-me or boo-hoo. More as just that – sorrow that people died. Maybe you’re reading too much into this episode, Cynthia? Anyway, I agree that it would have been cool to have had this “reunion” episode as #4 or #5 in the season, but I’m not complaining! I just love that Supernatural is back on the air!

By: Katie

Katie — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:32:00 +0000

Tell me Sam appears in the flashback episode this week. Tell me so I can watch it. Because if Sam’s not there, I’m not watching. I absolutely, totally and completely refuse to continue watching the Dean Show. I am so tired of Kripke shoving Sam into the background in deference to Dean and his self esteem and daddy issues. The entire first half of season 2 was all about Dean and his grief (we did not get one single episode about Sam and his potential grief, even though he was the one with the contentious relationship with John and had to shoot him and found him dead!). Then it was all about how John’s secret about Sam made Dean feel. Then Sam died and came back, and it was all about Dean’s deal and how Sam’s death made him feel. Now, yet another season of Dean evaluating his self worth, plus ANOTHER episode of him hanging out with family, this time with grandparents! Hello, Mary apologized to SAM in Home! Sam has never met his mother, Sam had the unfinished business with his father, Sam was the one who wanted normal, Sam was the one who was researching about Mary, Sam was the one who the YED informed that Mary knew him. I’m incredibly resentful of the fact that once again, only Dean gets to hang out with his family and only Dean gets to discover the family secret and only Dean gets to the special saintly one. The lack of any movement in character or plot for Sam is enough to make me stop watching this show, because frankly, it’s been four years now and I’ve gotten no payoff. Seriously. Dean’s got the characterization, the family connection, the active plot, the Angel, the mytharc, the spoilers and all of Kripke’s love. And Sam? Sam has a backwater plot presence and Ruby. Who sucks even more this season than she did last season.

By: carebear

carebear — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:15:12 +0000

I love how Meg called Sam out on Ruby. And I was pleasantly surprised to see my hawt angel of the Lord (I’m so going to hell for lusting after that guy) make an appearance in the end. I didn’t think he’d be in this episode.

Still, it’s nice to see a good funny Supernatural once in a while, so I hope there are a few of those coming up soon. Also, I’d like to see a few monster of the week episodes too. I understand Kripke’s trying to tell an epic here, but it is getting a little heavy on Winchester angst. Let’s help some other folks.

Even though I’m excited to see In The Beginning, I hope they do a little switch-up soon with some stand alone ones.

By: Elaine

Elaine — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:14:59 +0000

not too harp on the point but what if the gun was in a drawer in act 1 – does it really hurt the story when its pulled out and used in act 3 …. when the panic rm was revealed i thought duh of course Bobby would have one of these!
i do see your point with the “convenience sake” angle… cause what was up with Dean sleeping on the floor at the end, i am sure Bobby’s 2nd floor had an extra bedrm or two

By: Artemis

Artemis — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:45:35 +0000

Supernatural is up to another level till 4.2 .
lilith,angel,and the lucifer in fairy tails–of course,in black storys.THese who have real super power makes this drema more shocking and mysterious.It has become a holy war of heros,and our Dean and Sam are facing more majical things and producing more thoughts.

By: Cynthia

Cynthia — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:56:16 +0000

Elaine, I did think of that but hey, knock him on the head and lock him in! I get it, it’s fiction, I just don’t like when things pop up for convenience sake — it’s like the old story telling rule, if you’re going to shoot a guy with a gun in act 3, you better see the gun over the mantel in act 1