Supernatural: In the Beginning Explains It All
Hey, I’ve only got a few minutes because I have to go back and finish building my shrine for Eric Kripke. You see, I just watched next week’s episode of Supernatural, “In the Beginning” and now I have to apologize for any time I may have suggested that Kripke didn’t know what he was doing. Like the other day when I said I’d rather have monster-of-the-week instead of mythology. I was wrong. I admit it.
Fangirls, get your squee warmed up because you’re gonna need it.
Warning, some spoilers ahead, but only if you haven’t seen the promo or read the synopsis. I’ll have bigger spoilers later, but I’ll warn you again before I get there.
In the Beginning. . .
There was Mary Winchester.
You know how I’m always saying that Supernatural can’t rock a decent blonde? They did it. Mary Winchester rocks like Hendrix at Woodstock. There’s a scene between her and Dean. . . .geez, he was crying, I was crying, all god’s children are gonna be crying.
Which brings me to Jensen Ackles.
That scene I just mentioned, he has very little to say but between the tears in his eyes and the lump in his throat and the clenching of his jaw – he steals the scene. But you know what’s even better? We get to see Dean smile. We get to see him happy. And that blows me away as much as the tears.
Which brings me to Mitch Pileggi, aka Grandpa Samuel.
What a great role for this sci fi staple. He is subtle and powerful and perfect and when he. . . .let’s just say, there’s a scene between him and Jensen that is so reminiscent of a scene between Jensen and Jeffrey Dean. . . (Cyn bites her fingers to keep from saying more.) Suffice to say, Mitch has two scenes in this episode that should have the fans talking for a good long while.
And speaking of fan titillation. . . .BIGGER SPOILERS AHEAD
Here are a few notes that should have the fangirls squealing with delight.
– Dean waking up in bed with Castiel beside him.
– Impala origins
– Priest garb
– Sniffing
– “What was he like?”
– A whole encyclopedia of Supernatural winks and references
And best line ever:
Dean: Mom’s a babe! (Realizes what he just said) I’m going to hell. . . . again.
No problem sweetie, we’ve got room for you on the special bus.
Now for the bad news.
Sammy fans, get ready to rumble. Jared’s entire contribution to this episode is about 40 seconds of screen time. I assume that this is because he was working on the next episode which is Sam heavy and thus the trade off. . . but I don’t know that for sure. The comment box is open, feel free to leave your “Sam is a lamp” comments as you go.
In the end. . . “In the Beginning” is a lockbox full of payoff for anyone who has watched the show since day one. I never thought it could all fit together so beautifully, but it does.
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128 opinions for Supernatural: In the Beginning Explains It All
Cate
Sep 29, 2008 at 10:50 pm
YAY!
Now I need this episode like air… thanks!
dolly
Sep 29, 2008 at 10:56 pm
sounds sensational. great quickie review. so how long to wait?? Look I love Sam and Dean together nothing will ever, ever beat them on screen together, they are just gold. But there is a story to be told and Kripke is the story teller. He loves both boys and I’m sure there will be Sam revelations in this episode. So we will know more about out Sammy just to make up for not seeing him. (And I’m sure Jared will rock the 40 seconds he has on screen. Looking forward to a Sam eppy next week)
Cynthia
Sep 29, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Dolly, I’m with you, and you’re right - I was very intrigued by what Sam does with this screen time. . .
Mads
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:02 pm
“Dean waking up in bed with Castiel beside him.”
…
I cannot wait to see that.
Melissa
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I’m sorry, but I just find this Sam news so incredibly disappointing. Especially for an episode that’s been billed as so pivotal. I find myself not even looking forward to it. And I don’t trust Kripke to return the favor and devote an episode to Sam.
Stef
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Thanks for this! It does sound really good. About Sam I’m more upset by the fact that his one minute of screen time is wasted on a scene with Ruby. But I am looking very forward to this episode anyway and I’m hoping we get some more SamDean centric episodes in the near future.
shelby02
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Thanks for the spoilers Cynthia. It sounds as though some questions are finally answered. I have to admit though that there will likely be very little squee from me. As a Sam fan, I was very disappointed to learn that he is only on screen for 40 seconds. I had prepared myself for this Dean-centric episode but didn’t imagine that it would virtually be Sam free. I know that Dean fans are saying that Sam!girls are overreacting, but I find it very hard to believe that they wouldn’t be upset if the situation were reversed. Some are saying that Jared might have had Friday the 13th reshoots so he wasn’t available for this episode. Have you been able to confirm this?
I just know that so far this season Dean and Castiel have had the meaningful conversations, and apparently in this episode Dean and Castiel ride together in the impala and wake up together in the same room. These are all things that Sam and Dean did previously. I don’t think anyone can blame Sam fans for being worried. I for one miss Sam and Dean together, saving people and hunting things.
Stef
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Exactly shelby I am more a Dean fan and I would be probably be very upset if the next episodes was Sam and Ruby for 40 minutes while Dean got 40 seconds. Cynthia I was wondering about the Friday reshoots also. Is there any truth to that? I miss Sam and Dean too the first few episodes have been filled with all these other characters and I’m a little annoyed by it. I want Sam and Dean together again fighting evil. That is why I watch the show for Sam and Dean.
MissingSam
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Cynthia can you throw us Sam girls a bone? I have heard that there is a major heartbreaking reveal in this ep about Sam, that is going to possibly be the major arc for the rest of the season. Pleeeasseee we neeeeeeeeds to know.
leelust
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Thanx for review. You’re such a tease :) Please, say more! About that scene between Jensen and Mitch! Maybe by mail? *does puppy eyes*
shelby02
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Thanks Stef for admitting that as a Dean fan you would be upset if the situation was reversed.
Cynthia, do you have more information about the next episode than was released in the sides? From what I have read of the sides, it doesn’t seem to be Sam heavy in any way.
Katie
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:35 pm
It is a story that needs to be told, so if Sam only gets 40 seconds of screen time, I will be fine as long as I get answers. I think this is starting out to be one of the best seasons yet. And as much as I like the old Sam and Dean fighting evil together, I would be bored watching if nothing else progressed.
I am not going to let my Sam!girl or Dean!girl ways get in the way of me enjoy what seems like a great episode. I am a story!girl and I put my faith in Kripke to make this episode and all the next one kick ass.
Ali
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Thanks so much, Cynthia! This episode sounds fantastic! I admit to being edgy, since I’ve heard it changes a lot about the mythology, but you’ve made me very excited for it. :) And this season has been so remarkably good that I have a lot of faith in Kripke right now. :)
In conclusion, JENSEN. Can’t wait to see the scenes you mentioned!
Ren
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Before all the Sammy girls start in on bashing Kripke and/or Jensen (and how he gets all the great storylines yadda yadda yadda), let me throw out the officially given explanation of why Jared is only in this epi for a few minutes. Jared had to go back and re-shoot some scenes for his Friday the 13th movie. So Kripke & Co. (instead of being buttheads & saying “no way dude!”) wrote his part out of this episode so he could have the time off he needed.
Kripke, Sera & Jared all said that Sam’s story will definitely get equal time. They fully intend to focus on his story more fully starting around episode #9. It’s supposed to be all about “what-I-did-last-summer-when-my-brother-went-to-hell” as well where he’s headed now that he’s embraced his powers. Plenty of high drama & maybe some Evil!Sammy to boot. \o/ Yay!
MissingSam
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Officially given explanation? Can you give a link to this official explanation. And maybe you could wait till fans are actually attacking kripke or anyone else before attacking them for attacking…you know what….never mind.
Kass
Sep 29, 2008 at 11:49 pm
who wrote the episode, do you know?
Yay!Dean
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:17 am
Jeremy Carver.
Wow sounds like Jensen is fantastic again this episode. The first two episodes have really set the bar high for this season and it sounds like this one will give us a hat-trick of brilliant episodes. I really cannot wait.
I am also a little nervous now that they are finally going to answer some questions. But right now my faith in Kripke is at an all-time high so I’m very excited.
I’m amazed how well Kripke has managed rejuvenate his mytharc. Honestly it was getting more than a little stale and repetitive but for the first time in two years, I’m actually interested in where he is going with all of this.
So Cynthia, care to share any more tid-bits?
Katie
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:17 am
Sam’s not a lamp - he’s a nightlight!
But anyways. I heard through the grapevine that this episode, while all about Saint Dean, sets up Sam’s role in the mytharc for the rest of the season (and that it’s heartbreaking). Any truth to this statement?
Saminator
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:18 am
Episodes 9 and 10 are also heavily bi-bro, like most Sam episodes are. Unlike Dean’s Very Special Dean Episodes, which tend to cut Sam out in some way. Sam doesn’t get to interact with his family, again.
Wonder if Grandpa is YED, then?
I’m gonna watch this, but I just don’t have the heart to care about anything Dean finds out.
Ixchel
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:20 am
I WANT TO BE A JOURNALIST IN US!!!! WHY YOU can see the episode before to us!!! it´s unfair!!!!! I die for watch that episodeeeeeeeeee and I have to wait, I don´t know how many!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Katie
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:24 am
Cynthia can you drop any hints what fans can expect for Dean in this and what the heartbreaker for Sam is in this. I am dying for any type of spoilers but worried how Dean will be written in this episode.
You can email me as not to spoil for others.
hvstmn316@aol.com
Missy
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:32 am
The Castie/Dean part makes me sooo happy. YAY!
Jaylan
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:56 am
Guys, please calm down
We need to keep supporting the show no matter what happened
Saminator, I’m sorry but I don’t agree with you at all, what was Dean’s role in Mystery Spot? Just a few death scenes & yeah *he’s going to die*
Please guys, all Sammy!gurls & Dean!gurls stick together & stand side by side for the ratings to grow, pray & work for our Season 5 & stop complaining, I’m sure Sammy will be (as always) important, he’s our geek brother, smart brother, Evil!kickin ass brother & our lovable Jared Padalecki so don’t judge before you see
Thank you Ren & Katie for being both wise & optimistic
No disrespect to anyone
Katie
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:04 am
I appreciate the sentiment Jaylan, but Dean was in a significant portion of Mystery Spot, being Dean and interacting with Sam. There is no comparison between his time in that episode and 40 seconds of Sam. Dean has never, ever had so little screen time. Ever. Until Kripke releases a statement saying otherwise, I am going to assume that this oversight was intentional since Castiel is sending Dean back and he once again wanted Dean to cry pretty pretty tears with family members.
Mara
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:10 am
Also, Dean was barely in All Hell Breaks Loose, Part I. I don’t remember us Deangirls complaining about that, though… I remember us gushing about the brief little scenes he *did* have.
The difference is, Samgirls have never had to deal with the possibility that Sam isn’t the center of the universe before. They probably won’t have to after this episode, either… I imagine Dean was brought back to serve Super Special Sammy, as always, forever and ever, world without end. But the tantrums really do illustrate how unaccustomed they are to what’s been the Dean fan’s life for three years… anxiety for his place in the story, concern that he’s not important and never will be, and sympathy for an actor who’s worked SO hard, billed second and whose character is frequently written as a caricature or a sidekick.
Welcome to our world. But after Thursday, I bet we’ll all be exactly where we were before… because I really can’t imagine that Dean will ever have anything in this show that doesn’t revolve around Sam. Sam’s allowed to have independent importance, but Dean will never be.
Cynthia
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:11 am
Shelby:
That’s an excellent point. I wonder if that’s intentional or just the way it happened to work out. Interesting. As for Jared doing reshoots, I doubt (if he did have to) that it would have anything to do with this situation since the sides I saw months ago were all Dean-centric - nothing has changed as far as I can see, so it seems this was always the plan.
I DO think that the next episode will be Sam-centric. And flipped eps like this was a common technique in the past in order to keep from falling behind on two man shows. They did it several times in Alias Smith and Jones and Simon and Simon.
KayDee
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:19 am
I’m excited to get answers, and if Sam gets the goods in episode 4, then all is hunky-dory in my world! I’m excited to get some answers to long-held questions, to see the beauteous Dean scene, and hope this sets up some excellent scenes for both my guys. Thanks for the insight! Now I can’t wait for Thursday even MORE than yesterday. Grrrr….. (grin)
Katie
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:29 am
Remember the tag line at the beginning of the series: TWO BROTHERS, ONE DESTINY? I think the destiny/mytharc should be shared between them, and the two of them should be tied together in it; what affects one should affect the other. I honestly don’t want to watch a show with Dean running off to fulfill one destiny and Sam running off to fulfill another.
Cynthia
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:34 am
A couple of other things - according to my records, this wasn’t supposed to be the third episode, but the fourth, looks like the third was bumped to fifth, now maybe they did that on purpose so Jared could go film reshoots - I don’t know -
Second - watch the episode, if you’ve been a fan since day one, you have to watch to get all the winks and nods that are in the episode. It’s really fun how it all comes together.
Sam&Dean!Girl
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:38 am
this episode sounds awesome!
its gonna be weird without Sammy. this is really a first, any other time they were separated we saw what they were going while they where apart.
its gonna be different ,but theres no doubt in my mind Jensen will keep us thoroughly entertained. ;)
thanks for the head up on the crying,I will have tissues ready.
Jaylan, I agree we should support our show.
IDK if I would compare Sam’s role in this episode to Dean’s role in Mystery Spot though.
Mara,I feel like we’re watching different shows.
Ive never seen Dean as a sidekick. he has such a dominate personality,I dont know how anyone can see him like that.
Mara
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:44 am
“I think the destiny/mytharc should be shared between them, and the two of them should be tied together in it; what affects one should affect the other.”
Works for me! I’m just hoping Dean’s not ONLY important because he’s the Special Boyking’s big brother… I hope he’s important because he’s Dean Winchester, same as Sam is important because he’s Sam Winchester. And I don’t think that’s too much to ask. Sam isn’t important because he’s Dean’s little brother, so why should Dean be any less? Two brothers, as you say. Each as an individual, but caring about one another, so their individual plots intertwine.
Jamie
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:50 am
Uh. Sam has been the special only special one for three seasons now. It is nice to see that Dean is actually important. No Dean girls were angry over AHBL. It is a show, and whether people like it or not it has a main plot line. It can’t always be the same exact thing till it finally ends.
I don’t care if Sam is only going to be in it for 40 seconds, we have the episode right after being dedicated all to him. I want answers, I don’t feel like being left in the dark just because I enjoy seeing Dean and Sam interact.
Linda
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:56 am
Are you freaking kidding me?? 40 seconds!!!
KayDee
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:01 am
Katie - you said it perfectly: I want both brothers to be part of the mytharc, not just one of them. I look forward to Dean and Sammy fighting side-by-side in S5 (here’s hoping The CW stays afloat long enough for us to get a season 5!).
Chris
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:04 am
Yes the ep after this is a Sam ep but think more like ep 2 of this season. A classic MOTW bi-bro episode with a Sam emphasis. The sides seem to indicate that Dean will be in this almost as much as Sam. Maybe, Maybe they can compare this ep for Sam to what Dean’s role was in AHBL I but even then Dean was in for lengths of time and doing something that was relevant to the plot. Discovering that the roadhouse burned down, etcc… Well at least those 40 seconds are supposed to be intriguing.
Tiffany
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:07 am
“Katie - you said it perfectly: I want both brothers to be part of the mytharc, not just one of them. I look forward to Dean and Sammy fighting side-by-side in S5 (here’s hoping The CW stays afloat long enough for us to get a season 5!).”
Is everyone ignoring the fact that Dean just now became part of the mytharc? It was all about Sam before. Where was your outrage then?
I am a Sam girl all the way, but this plot needs to be furthered eventually. Having Sam going back in time would ruin the reveal of what happen to him in the past.
I find it disappointing that it seems like people are just going to hate this episode purely on the fact that Sam isn’t in it that much. I’ve already seen a couple people say they don’t want to watch it. Except they ignore the fact that we can’t stand to loose any ratings, and we will basically just be letting this show drive into the ground because of our own stubbornness.
It’s a pity. It seems like a great episode that people are going to be complaining about.
tina
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:11 am
So Eric they both go back?? I dont be like lied to and secondly , no excuse in the world for this and this show for me is now on the endangered list , utterlly unforgiveable, and no its not alright.
Mel
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:22 am
So Tina, I am assuming you never watched for the plot?
This is so stupid. Get over it Sam Fans. An entire arc is being set up for him. One episode he isn’t in, and because Jared had to do Friday the 13th, and it’s “burn in hell Kripke”
It’s ridiculously stupid. It makes my head hurt in ways I can’t even explain. Get over it people. It is a show! It has a plot! It isn’t just about looking at pretty guys. And it can’t always be season 1.
Things progress, characters change, stories have to be furthered, and sometimes (ONE TIME) a character has to be left out. It is true. It is necessary. GET OVER IT!
fangirl
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:32 am
I really cannot wait for this episode. It sounds awesome.
Out of curiosity Cynthia, which sides did you see months ago? Because the ones I saw didn’t have either brother’s name. If I recall they were Rick and Jeff so most people assumed that both Dean and Sam would be going back in time.
Now it is possible Kripke did that to cover up the fact that only Dean was going back. But it’s also possible that Jared wasn’t available for whatever reason and so they decided to rejig the script to accommodate his other commitments.
Hopefully someone will clarify this but even if they don’t, those Jared fans claiming they won’t watch the show this week will probably miss some really interesting development in Sam’s storyline. That is their choice of course.
Me, I’m thrilled with the way this season is shaping up and Cynthia’s comments about the Achting just make me more excited for 403. Jensen has been on fire this season and Castiel is a great addition to the cast.
Lucyann
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:49 am
Wonderful review. Thanks for posting!! I love this opportunity to get to know the reason behind the poor Winchesters fate…. Dean centric…. how can that be a bad thing. :) Jensen does a great job of portraying Dean, more than great… outstanding!! I am so looking forward to next episode!!
Keep up the good work Jensen. Love your talented ackting!! :) You give life to the most intruiging tv character ever. :)
Isobel Swan
Sep 30, 2008 at 3:52 am
As a Dean fan I am stoked! Dean waking up in bed next to Castiel - LMFAO! They must have written that knowing that it would launch a thousand Dean/Castiel Slash fanfics!
cassi
Sep 30, 2008 at 4:06 am
I’m excited about the episode but I’m dissapointed that Sammy gets only 40 seconds screen time. I imagined that Sam could have little to do in this episode but 40 seconds is ridiculously short!
I heard that Jared had to go back to do more scenes for his summer movie and if this 40 sec. scene which he is part of is no good, I’m definitely never gonna watch Friday 13th!!!
By the way I’m a Dean fan but I need my Sam for at least a few minutes in every episode.
I thought the writers would grab the change when Sam is alone (Dean in the past) with Ruby and give them a big dialog scene but in 40 sec. not much talking can be done!!
LucyJ
Sep 30, 2008 at 4:44 am
Really I don’t care how much time each actor is on screen so long as the story is well told.
I cannot believe people were counting the number of minutes Sam was on screen in the LR as well.
Perhaps the reason people keep missing Sam’s characterization is because they are too busy looking at the clock instead paying attention to what Jared is doing on screen.
I don’t mean to be snotty but it all just seems so petty to me, and yes I would say the same thing if it was Dean who had less screen time once in a while.
Wooiebean
Sep 30, 2008 at 4:51 am
OMG- are all the Sam fans on here like 14 years old or something??? take a chill pill will you!
I like both boys and enjoy the programme for what it is! a great tv show with twists and turns!
whatever happens in this ep I am sure it will be great viewing and I am impatient as the next person to find out what the apparent heartbreaker is! I have always thought that dean & Sam are only half brothers. I looked into a part surrounding the bible and apparently some angels came to earth and slept with human women, producing 1/2 human 1/2 angel children! Is that Dean???? Heck, if Sam is not Johns then so what, makes for good TV!
cl
Sep 30, 2008 at 5:15 am
I am actually really hoping that Jared DID have to do reshoots, because let’s face it; regardless of whether this particular episode had to tell the backstory and Dean had to be the one to hear it, the show has NEVER had an episode where one of the boys was only in it for less than a minute. It concerns me if this was written and planned and not something that had to be done because of an unforeseen committment of Jared’s to be out of town. I would hate to think that an episode was actually planned where Sam was seen for only 40 seconds - it goes against everything this show has been from the start. It’s not an ensemble show where characters take turns in the spotlight.
Anyway, I would rather think that when this episode was originally conceived, Sam had more to do (even if he couldn’t go back in time because of the plot points being showcased - that’s fine, but maybe the trip to the past didn’t have to encompass the WHOLE episode - we could have gotten more of Sam training with Ruby; working on his powers, or whatever - hey, here’s a thought - wouldn’t Sam be looking for Dean if he disappears? This leads me to believe that the trip to the past is a dream perhaps. Castiel came to Dean in a dream already). Anyway, all I mean is that if it wasn’t reworked to work around Jared’s absence, the original plan could have been three quarters of the show with Dean in the past and a quarter of it with Sam. Certainly not 40 seconds. But I want to believe that they at least had him around for more than 40 seconds originally. If they didn’t, well, that breaks my heart. I never thought that would happen on this show.
Teebabe
Sep 30, 2008 at 6:39 am
All good points, but I have to mostly agree with Mara here. I’m a Dean fan but I’m not stoked at all about this episode or the rest of this season. I have a very bad feeling he’s just getting a lot of face time early in the season to make up for what he won’t get when it really matters. I think it’s just to bait Dean fans into sticking around. I personally only tuned in to see how he got out of Hell. I’m fairly certain once the newness of that wears off, the show will be back to the same stupid crap we had last season, and I won’t be sorry at all to stop watching.
Holly
Sep 30, 2008 at 7:09 am
I won’t be watching this again, how they can dedicate 40 seconds of an episode to their joint lead is beyond me. It’s just repulsive and unfair and whatever reshoots Jared was ’supposedly’ though I’m yet to see it confirmed filming they could still have managed more than a measly 40 seconds, it’s HIDEOUS. Way to go Kripke, I couldn’t care less about this episode now and it had so much potential.
Myra
Sep 30, 2008 at 7:23 am
What on earth are the Dean fans talking about? Saying we’re overreacting is the most absurd claim I’ve ever heard, when you can name me one flipping episode that has Dean in it for 40 god damned seconds THEN you have the right to say we’re overreacting. It’s absolutely ridiculous how self riteous they can be.
Some of us, shock horror, are not fans of Dean at all and don’t want an entire episode dedicated to him, to say we’re overreacting because the joint lead isn’t even in a HEAVY mythology episode is laughable.
Sasha
Sep 30, 2008 at 7:34 am
Will the episode feature the definite reveal about why Dean was raised from hell? I suspect it will be about the same role he has always played and I’d like to confirm so as not to get my hopes up any more that it’s more than that.
Meg.
Sep 30, 2008 at 7:54 am
40 flipping seconds!! That’s all Sam is in this episode?? In what’s supposedly the ‘pivotal’ episode of the series. And it’s Dean who gets to find out the secrets about Sam and his destiny…just so we can get weeks and weeks of Dean emo-ing about it all over the place. While the show still shows no inclination whatsoever to get inside Sam’s head and tell us how he feels…say about Mary, the demon blood, the demon army stuff, Dean back from Hell for example.
And I really don’t think many a Dean fan would be happy with just 40 seconds of Dean in an episode.
Oh well…at least Sam’s 40 seconds are intriguing.
strangeworld
Sep 30, 2008 at 8:14 am
Thanks for a great review Cathy. As for the Sam fans, you know what? I’m so betting that for all your whining while the chosen one Sam is on for only 40 seconds this episode is going to be about how so vastly important Sam is and how everything really is still ALL ABOUT SAM! I’m sure that will make you happy, since nothing else seems to.
I would love it if Dean was brought back from hell for anything other than it being about Sam, but Carver loves to make Sam the center of everything while making Dean about as important as a sand grain on a beach, so I’m sure this episode will make a lot of Sam fans happy that their golden boy is still the most important one in the SN-Universe.
Yeah. Whatever.
Elise
Sep 30, 2008 at 8:32 am
Oh the Dean fans have been getting their pay-off since S3, haven’t they? Do I want to see another season with Dean-angst over his self-esteem issues (a very teeny behavior btw, isn’t Dean supposed to be like 30?) about being chosen by God? No way in hell. Angst for angst sake doesn’t work for me.
Kripke did his job, he’s alienated a lot of fans by making this show all about Dean.
Congratulations, Kripke! You got your teenshow, but I’m guessing this will be the last season. Your audience, other than your peer, the Ackles fans seemingly mean nothing. Well I hope you won’t miss our dollars.
I will never be watching a show where your name i involved.
Thanks Cynthia for the warning, even it it’s been visible since S3 it’s finally manifested itself in this ep. 40 sec of the co-lead in a pivotal episode? Ridiculous!
This is not Supernatural anylonger, this is Saint Dean’s mental growth to an ordained martyr. The porn and the sex you keep trying to make Dean more human with is long since old, Kripke. The Garytueing shines right though. Dean was more real in S1 than the sorry Gary Stu he’s become over the seasons. Only the wings are missing now and I’m sure they will be there by the end of the season? *rolls eyes*
Diana
Sep 30, 2008 at 8:43 am
I hate this. It is sad that Sam didn’t get to see his mom.
Vera
Sep 30, 2008 at 8:45 am
This sounds like a fantastic episode full of mythology goodness! And it seems to me that most of the complaints are from fans who are upset that JARED isn’t in much of the episode, because it seems to me that ultimately this episode is ABOUT SAM and HIS DESTINY.
As far as I know, the mythology of the show does still revolve around Kripke’s reluctant hero, Sam. It’s the basis of his entire show. Just because Jared Padalecki isn’t physically there to represent Sam doesn’t mean that Sam isn’t a significant aspect of this episode. From the spoilers I’ve read, his storyline may be significantly affected by events that happen in the episode. I mean, it’s up to you if you watch it or not, but it seems to me there will be things revealed about Sam’s storyline that will be important when watching future episodes.
But I guess if people aren’t so much fans of the show, or Sam as a character, but rather Jared Padalecki, then I can understand. I’m a fan of the show, so, I’ll definitely be watching!
Allison
Sep 30, 2008 at 8:58 am
Thanks for the sneak peek. I can’t wait for this ep. Sounds like so much awesome. I love the Dean/Castiel dynamic, so much acting chemistry there. I have no problem with Kripke spending some time getting Dean’s part of the myth arc introduced and established. Sam’s story has been established for three years. Frankly, I’ve been hoping for the boys to get out of each other’s back pockets, neither character can grow if they don’t stand on their own once in a while. Padalecki has already said at Comic Con that mid-season would be about Sam. My only gripe is that while Ackles gets to work with a really good actor (and I certainly don’t begrudge him that) for Dean’s ‘away’ time from Sam, Padalecki is stuck with the horribly wooden NewRuby (I thought Katie Cassidy stunk too, but this girl makes KC’s “DemonBarbie” act look positively Emmy worthy). Here’s hoping Ruby gets a new meatsuit sooner than later, played by a better actress because I’m finding it hard to really care about Sam’s scenes with her right now.
Kay
Sep 30, 2008 at 9:00 am
“Perhaps the reason people keep missing Sam’s characterization is because they are too busy looking at the clock instead paying attention to what Jared is doing on screen. ”
Very good point, LucyJ! And don’t most Sam fans LOVE Born Under a Bad Sign? Has anyone actually counted the number of minutes Sam was in BUABS? Less than 5 minutes would be my guess.
Thanks for the preview, Cynthia. This one looks awesome!
MissingSam
Sep 30, 2008 at 9:20 am
Sam fans are generally Jared fans as well and Born under a Bad Sign was a fantastic showcase of Jared’s acting skills, not to mention Evil Sam was hotter than hell. Is it ok if we love that ep for those reasons?
Dawn
Sep 30, 2008 at 9:22 am
Seriously ? You all arguing over screen time is just insane. You all sound like a bunch of stage mothers pissed off because you feel your shining star is being cheated out of his rightful scenes. Gimme a break. This episode sounds awesome! We have all been wanting our questions regarding the past answered, and it sounds like they finally might be and all some of you can do is complain. So what Sammy is only in this one for a few seconds. This episode probably needed to focus on the main storyline to get it all in .I’m sure there will be plenty of Sam to come. There always is. So please hold your rude comments until after you have seen the episode, and don’t ruin it for the rest of us with your negativity .
Jaylan
Sep 30, 2008 at 9:29 am
I’m really beginning to laugh
Is it the amount of scenes that the actor is in that determine what is his effect in an episode?
All Hell Breaks Loose part 1 guys? What was Dean doing in here? Besides all the Dean girls complaining about Dean being a brother of the BOYking, what’s the problem in that? I mean, both of them boykings would sound very ridiculous for me
I’m unsubsrcibing because I thought I’d hear wiser & more enthusiastic comments than these ones, we’re fans of the Supernatural show which means both Dean & Sam as they are, I don’t wanna see Dean being the center of some actions with Sam just being his geek brother
I hope Kripke & crew give an explanation to that to calm down the unnecessary fan rage
strangeworld
Sep 30, 2008 at 9:39 am
“I don’t wanna see Dean being the center of some actions with Sam just being his geek brother”
Well, since we Dean Fans have had three years of Sam being the most important thing in the Universe while Dean was only his big brother there only for Sam, then I would say, how does it feel? If I trusted Carver, I’d be happy. But Carver is all about Sam and no doubt, Dean will be relegated back to what he’s always been, the big protective brother of the most important person in the heavens, earth and hell.
Anja
Sep 30, 2008 at 9:40 am
I heard that Jared was filming some more scenes for F13 while they worked on 4.03 and that is why we only get to see him in one scene.
cassi
Sep 30, 2008 at 10:02 am
Was it really necessary Cynthia to write this 40 seconds comment?
You knew that there would be an uproar unless you spoiled something important about Sam that would have calmed down the Sam fans but you didn’t. You wrote it will be the best episode ever (my understanding) and then you write Sam is going to be absent except for 40 freaking seconds.
You saw the episode, the other Sam fans didn’t, so how do you expect them to calm down?
tina
Sep 30, 2008 at 10:05 am
Hypocrisy flying again, some Dean fans need to pack it in, I will remember this , and when Dean gets less screen time.
shelby02
Sep 30, 2008 at 10:09 am
Are fans of Dean really serious when they say that if the situation were reversed and Sam were going back in time for the entire episode they wouldn’t care at all? Not one iota? They wouldn’t miss Jensen on screen? They would applaud the writers and Kripke for writing an episode that has been called the most “pivotal” yet, one that answers questions we have had for 3 years, yet leaves Dean out? Really?
Kerry
Sep 30, 2008 at 10:16 am
I just hope Dean’s going back in time is something about DEAN and not just more fluffing of the DemonBoyKing. I want Castiel’s pulling Dean out of hell to be about Dean, not more of what I’ve watched for the show’s entire run, Dean being nothing but Sam’s wet nurse and guard dog. I’m excited about this season at this point, but if it turns back into the Sam as Center of the Universe Show with Dean having no purpose other than to take the writers’ insults while ‘Chosen’ Boy continues to eat up the mytharc? I’ll take Kripke’s advice and switch to Grey’s.
cassi
Sep 30, 2008 at 10:23 am
I’m a Dean fan and I’m also not very happy about the 40 seconds thing. Besides Cynthia wrote: “Sammy fans, get ready to rumble”. So she was counting on the upset reaction from Sam fans which I highly dissaprove.
Just saying “Sam fans calm down” doens’t really help. Yes, it’s just a show but some people have favorite characters in a show, so it has nothing to do that they don’t like the show in general.
But please don’t start the whole Dean vs Sam discussion, I beg you! It’s always turns into something nasty!
Sam&Dean!Girl
Sep 30, 2008 at 11:11 am
I think we should be grateful for the sneak peek.
atleast wait until u actually see the episode and if ur not satisfied with Sam’s part in it after that then u can feel free to rant about it.
if Im not satisfied I’ll be right there with you lol
but I haven’t seen the episode so I dont know how I feel just yet.
right now we dont what he did in the time he’s in the episode or what’s revealed about him while he’s not there.
it might be something juicy.
like cassi said dont make this a Dean vs Sam thing.
Kay
Sep 30, 2008 at 11:25 am
“Sam fans are generally Jared fans as well and Born under a Bad Sign was a fantastic showcase of Jared’s acting skills, not to mention Evil Sam was hotter than hell. Is it ok if we love that ep for those reasons?”
First of all MissingSam, there was NO “Evil Sam” in Born Under a Bad Sign. That was Demon Meg. NOT SAM. There was no further characterization of “Sam” in BUABS until a few minutes at the end. That’s my point. You loved the episode, and so did I. But “Sam” wasn’t in it save for a few minutes at the end.
So, I’m assuming that it’s not so much about Sam as it is Jared. Ok. Got it. Which again, is really too bad because from all indications there is a ton of information revealed ABOUT Sam’s story. Jared certainly didn’t seem upset at Eyecon. On the contrary, he seemed very excited about Sam’s storyline this season and it seems to me that this particular episode is going to move Sam’s storyline forward in a big way.
It’s too bad the VP debates are on at the same time as this episode, though. That’s going to hurt our ratings since everybody seems very interested in the VP debates (maybe even more than the President debates). Oh well.
Lizz
Sep 30, 2008 at 11:35 am
[i]Dean: Mom’s a babe! (Realizes what he just said) I’m going to hell. . . . again.[/i]
No problem sweetie, we’ve got room for you on the special bus.
What “special bus”???
strangeworld
Sep 30, 2008 at 11:49 am
“”Are fans of Dean really serious when they say that if the situation were reversed and Sam were going back in time for the entire episode they wouldn’t care at all?”"
I don’t believe Dean fans have said this. I believe most have said that yes, they’d be upset too. However, since the story is and always has been about SAM, the fact that Sam isn’t there isn’t going to do much about Sam’s character except expand on it. If Dean was missing, the fact that Dean seems to be so unimportant right now outside of Sam, it would have a bigger impact. After all, I guess Dean should be glad Sam was born, otherwise he’d be a total waste of space and time.
Suz
Sep 30, 2008 at 11:58 am
Oh Cynthia…you are so kind and so cruel at the same time. Being a Deangirl, I oh so happy at the Dean focus but I will be glad when there’s more “team action” between Sam and Dean. I’m waiting for it all to hit the fan when the boys secrets start getting revealed to eachother.
But, right now, I’M GOBBLIN’ UP THE DEAN ACTION!!!!
That “Mom’s a babe” quote is hysterical. Poor Dean. Can’t even turn it off in the past, huh?
Oh, and btw — I’m wondering why Dean hasn’t…uh…gotten back into the saddle with any gals since his return. My guess would have been for his to do list to be in this order: 1. Find Sam 2. Check on Impala 3. Get pie 4. Get l*$d.
Maybe he’s just been busy.
Suz
Yay!Dean
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:25 pm
“Are fans of Dean really serious when they say that if the situation were reversed and Sam were going back in time for the entire episode they wouldn’t care at all?”
Honestly at this point I would welcome it so that the Sam fans would quite bitching for 40 seconds.
Kay I completely agree that this seems to be a Jared issue rather than a Sam issue. So if it turns out that the F13 rumor is true, how are the Jared fans going to spin that?
Oh right, the show should have ground to a halt and they should have lost key guest starts just to appease the more rabid Jared girls. Everyone including Kripke should bow down at his alter because that is the only way some of you will be satisfied.
Em
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:31 pm
“After all, I guess Dean should be glad Sam was born, otherwise he’d be a total waste of space and time.”
Right? Apparently his only purpose for existing is to do stuff related to Sam.
What I want to know is why is it okay for just Dean to go back because Sam would be too upset if he found out? And Dean won’t be?
What the heck kind of lame plotline is that? Oh Sam is such a special snowflake he can’t hear it, it’ll upset him too much, but hey let’s make Dean look like a jerk for keeping the secret, again. Because sure Sam’s keeping 5 or 6 secrets from Dean right now but let’s not focus on that, it only matters when Dean’s the one doing it to Sam “Center of the Universe” Winchester. Look it’s Season 2 all over again, only we’ll wrap it in shinier packaging.
They brought Dean back from Hell for that? They might as well have left him there.
Believe me Samgirls, with Jeremy Carver writing this, I’d be quite happy to have traded you the 40 seconds to give Sam the whole episode. Jeremy Carver sucks at writing Dean. In What Is and What Should Never Be, when Dean thought the world was real, he chose the greater good over his family. He knew without any angel telling him so that he couldn’t change history without a huge cost and it was one he wasn’t willing to pay. Now suddenly he’s all gungho to do it? It’s a total regression back to a place he never was in the first place.
I also saw the sides and disagree that it was obvious Dean would be both characters. The one character didn’t seem like Dean at all to me. I suppose not unlike Long Distance Caller, another Carver disaster, in which Dean and Sam somehow completely switched personalities. He seemed like Sam to me in the scene with, I think the Jeff character because well, Dean already learned that lesson. But I didn’t realize it was Carver at the time, so naturally Dean’s forgotten it or better yet just turned into a selfish jackass and doesn’t care.
But what does it matter? Sam’s the only one who matters, no one else. Even when he’s not there, he’s the only one who matters.
Kathy
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I look forward to this episode with great anticipation and to finally having some questions answered. A good mystery is great for the story, but drag it out too long (like Lost does) then I lose my patience.
This episode is giving me mixed feelings. While I may be a Dean-girl at heart, and I am fully enjoying the performance by Misha as Castiel, I am not happy that Jared’s appearance will be so minimal. I never wanted the Sam & Ruby Show, or the Dean & Castiel show. I am fully invested in the Sam & Dean Show. And yes, I know that there are upcoming episodes that are very Sam-heavy. Unfortunately, splitting the fans down the middle like this, because we don’t have the bigger picture in front of us, isn’t helping. I hope that if ratings are affected it will only be because of the VP debate and not because of some mass boycott by Sam-fans. Neither SPN or CW need that right now.
I also think we’re giving Kripke too much credit in expecting something totally unique for Dean’s mytharc and purpose for returning. As presented & hinted, Sam’s powers have developed and he is on a path towards being pulled to the darkside. The only person able to prevent that, the only one able to balance & temper that power, the only one Sam will listen to, is his brother. Most likely once again, Dean’s role will be to save his little brother because if Sam gets to the point of such evil, then ’someone’ may need to kill him. We already know that Dean would rather return to hell than hurt Sam, so that just leaves the angel(s) to do the job. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the reason for Dean’s return.
Christi
Sep 30, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Now I’m even more excited to see “In The Beginning.” Can’t wait to see how Dean reacts to waking up next to Castiel!!
Laura
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I can’t wait to see Mitch on Supernatural it’s been a fantasy of mine since the first season..
Not to be picky however, if he’s Mary’s dad, he’s not a Winchester.
Em
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:03 pm
“I also think we’re giving Kripke too much credit in expecting something totally unique for Dean’s mytharc and purpose for returning.”
Then why send Dean to Hell in the first place? Just have Sam’s mojo magically protect both of them. Why claim Dean’s been brought into them mytharc when his role is exactly the same damn thing it was before when Kripke made a huge point about how he wasn’t in the mytharc.
Just admit he’s only a sidekick, shove him off to the side and bring him in for the Very Special Episode when the Yellow Crayon speech is needed. Jensen could spend more time with his family and friends, maybe do some other work, come in for his guest shots.
Be honest about it at least, and don’t lie to everyone.
Dean went to Hell, that’s a major step on the “Hero’s Journey” and it means absolutely nothing. That’s incredibly disappointing. He’s still nothing but a sidekick who happens to get equal screentime.
Vera
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:12 pm
“I hope that if ratings are affected it will only be because of the VP debate and not because of some mass boycott by Sam-fans.”
Kathy, you do realize that ratings are *only* determined by Nielsen viewers, right? And yeah, I’m sure the ratings will be affected by the debates in certain areas where they air at the same time as Supernatural airs. I think that’s a given, unfortunately. The content of the episode isn’t going to make a bit of difference if viewers are planning on watching the debates (and recording Supernatural) no matter what.
strangeworld
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:29 pm
“Jensen could spend more time with his family and friends, maybe do some other work, come in for his guest shots.”
Heck, since they won’t need Jensen till the end of season 5 and time for the big yellow crayon speech, I’m hoping Jensen will have the extra time to accept a good script for a good movie. I’d take that rather than watch Dean Winchester reduced once again to the big brother in the Sam Winchester Show.
Katie.
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Oh God.
Sam!Fangirls vs Dean!Fangirls
We have been reduced to small children.
Screw this. I am proclaiming myself a Casitel!Fangirl.
No vs. there.
Now, if you don’t mind, I am going to go complain about his limited time. XD
Stef
Sep 30, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Okay like I’ve already said I can understand where Sam fans are coming from. If this episode was 40 minutes of Sam and Ruby I would be upset about it. But that wouldn’t keep me from watching it. Last season I hated when some of the first episodes were ending with Sam and Ruby chatting away while Dean was nowhere to be found but I still watched them. And it sounds like even though he may not have a huge part here it is still very much about Sam and his destiny so I don’t understand how any fan of Sam and/or Supernatural would want to miss it.
Em
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:06 pm
“I’d take that rather than watch Dean Winchester reduced once again to the big brother in the Sam Winchester Show.”
Not to mention think about what that is saying - “Dean if it was just you, we’d let you rot in perdition, just like we never sent anyone to help keep you from making those bad choices which led to you making that deal in the first place. You were falling apart but we didn’t bring Dad back from Hell. But it’s Sam now who is messing up and he’s important, unlike you, so we need to try and make sure he doesn’t get too far out of line that’s why we’re bringing you back because for some reason, Sam actually likes you. You should be grateful for it too, at least you’re out of Hell.”
What a kick in the head. “Dean you know how you’re whole life you’ve felt like you were only as important as how well you took care of Sam? Guess what, it’s true!” I am so glad I am not Eric Kripke’s older brother, he clearly has serious issues with him if his idea of a fantasy is that his older brother’s life should completely revolve around his younger brother’s existence.
“I’m hoping Jensen will have the extra time to accept a good script for a good movie.”
That would have been nice. Or even an awesome guest spot. Look at what that guest spot on Grey’s Anatomy did for Jeffrey Dean Morgan? If Jensen got an awesome guest spot like that on some hopefully better show than Grey’s Anatomy - it might open to their eyes to what a lot of us already know, he’s a great actor, and someone might cast him in something other than a horror movie.
What really upsets me is that Kripke got my hopes up, that Dean might have a genuine role to play here, something Dean related and not Sam related, that they would be equal, parallel roles which would eventually combine. But really it’s the exact same pathetic role he’s tried to disguise with some fancy packaging.
Jay
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:13 pm
LMao. Fan girls acting like little children.
Can we just appreciate the show? There are questions to be answered and I’m looking forward to that.
strangeworld
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:18 pm
“What really upsets me is that Kripke got my hopes up, that Dean might have a genuine role to play here, something Dean related and not Sam related, that they would be equal, parallel roles which would eventually combine. But really it’s the exact same pathetic role he’s tried to disguise with some fancy packaging.”
Yeah. That’s how I feel. Like I got a great big birthday cake and then get told it’s not mine, it’s for somebody else, but hey, here’s a pat on the head to make you feel better. WTF ever Kripke.
gg
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:24 pm
K, Totally on the shallow end here, but is Castiel Standing beside Dean or……….(fangirl squeeeeeeee) laying beside him in the bed? Cyn Please tell me, kill it for me now if u have to, dont let me squeee unesseccarily till Thursday.
elle2
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:37 pm
I can see why Sam fans be upset, frankly it will be odd not having both boys in the show. However, Eric didn’t lie since it’s indicated this eppy had to be rewritten to accomodate Jared’s need to reshoot for F13, thus rewritten means changed, means Sam had more but had to be given lots less.
I love both boys and while AHBL1 was very Sam heavy it was and is still an awesome episode.
As for the eppie, I’m stoked completely, 30.5 hours to get some serious Sam answers and overall info on the Winchesters.
Accidents happen and in the end I think it’s awesome Dean gets this full on exposure to his past as he’s the one that has a tie to mom, something poor Sam never truly had although he expressed one convincingly in CSPWDT when he buried dad’s dog tags at the headstone. But that tie comes from Dean’s connection so it’s fitting Dean gets the big reveal.
That said, I don’t hope for more eps that don’t have both boys simply because to me the brothers are the core, but since Kripke and co. have always maintained the brothers are the heart and soul of the story, I’m not worried about the future.
hetal
Sep 30, 2008 at 2:38 pm
no doubt this epi is gonna b rocking. but sam having only 40 sec of screen time i cant digest this fact. v have habit of seeing dean and sam together. castiel in place of sam is not done. and i dont understand the fact that why always sam is left behind in all these flashback epi. in djinss epi also dean got to live happier life. than why not sam. even he deserves to c his parents. i hope kripke does something bout these and v have more sam centric epi in future. i m very disappointed.
tina
Sep 30, 2008 at 3:19 pm
40 seconds! Dean going back ok I would live with that but 40 seconds , every single one of the Dean girls here who have yet again try to come up with reasons and excuses . If it was Dean you would be banging Erics door down and yet have the cheek to have ago at Sam fans for just oh so slightly being upset , I dont care if these reshoots that nobody can confirm happened , this is a pivotal episode and wteher you like Sam or not he has been part of this show for 3yrs , this was a sl that goes back 3 yrs from the apology in Home and he gets 40 seconds? sorry no good enough , and wouldnt be for Dean.
strangeworld
Sep 30, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Well, it doesn’t look like Jared suffered much from not being on the set since he took off for Hawaii according to this;
http://www.tenstones.net/forums/tv/308597-exclusive_ugo_talks_supernatural_s_mitch_pileggi.html
shelby02
Sep 30, 2008 at 3:45 pm
At least now we know Jared was not doing reshoots for Friday the 13th. Nor was he working on the next “Sam heavy” episode. Obviously he was never meant to be a part of this episode. At least he got a little rest and relaxation. Great for Jared not so great for Sam fans.
Elise
Sep 30, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Seems Sam’s part of this show just has been annulled.
Thank you Kripke and goodbye.
strangeworld
Sep 30, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Elise, what will you do when the next episode, you know, the Sam heavy one comes on? Will you run back? As I Dean fan, should I say good bye Mr. Kripke cause this is too Sam heavy for me? Really? Hmm, considering Kripke is keeping his show All About Sam, I would say have a nice trip.
Jess
Sep 30, 2008 at 4:39 pm
When did people lose the ability to just enjoy a good story?? I don’t understand all this, “WELL, HE’S MY FAV CHARACTER, SO IF HE’S NOT ON SCREEN, I’M NOT WATCHING.” It’s the story that counts. That’s what has me sucked in. I’m just along for the ride. And loving every minute of it! :)
Elise
Sep 30, 2008 at 4:44 pm
All about Sam? Like S3? *dies of laughter* Nope, Kripke ha shown his colors. He switched the show’s core totally and this is not what I set out to watch. The old mytharc has been dragging for ages and we’ve had angsty Dean for so long that I can’t stomach it any longer. Launching a new arc at this point is redundant.
This show is simply not what it used to be, in all ways possible it’s a totally different show. Enjoy your Saint Dean or gods sake! Me jumping off won’t destroy you enjoyment of this new show, now will it?
Jess
Sep 30, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Hey, guys, remember that thing called the writer’s strike? And how that shortened the third season and set some things back in the story, so that the focus of the season pretty much *had* to be on Dean’s deal? Oh, but wait, no. That didn’t happen, did it? This must all be Kripke’s Great Plan Against Sam Winchester. :P
Gab
Sep 30, 2008 at 5:00 pm
The episodes focused on Sam never had and never will have just 40 seconds of Dean.
And you, Dean fans who are enjoying the change, you should fear for the series, because the audience can fall with the lack of focus on Sam.
Melanie
Sep 30, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I’m a Jared/Sam fan myself so I’m glad for the heads up but I’m gonna enjoy the episode anyway. We are so lucky with only two regulars. Sam and Dean are practically in every scene! Just think about all the ensemble shows where you have to sit through some really boring stuff till your fave character’s on. We really could appreciate it more…
I’m so excited for the new episode. I can’t wait to find out about Mary! Thank you, Cynthia for this great review! <3
Vera
Sep 30, 2008 at 5:39 pm
“And you, Dean fans who are enjoying the change, you should fear for the series, because the audience can fall with the lack of focus on Sam.”
So Gab, you’re saying that normally Sam is the focus of the show? Okay then. I guess it’s Dean’s turn. ;)
The season premiere was one of (if not THE) highest rated Supernatural episode on the CW. The ratings and critical reviews have been been great so far this season (much better than early last season), so I guess the viewers are responding positively to this season so far.
I think Supernatural is really hitting it’s stride right now. Personally, I cannot wait until Thursday night to see this episode!
Gab
Sep 30, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Vera, of course not, and I was not speaking for myself, sorry if I am not well expressed.
My English is somewhat limited.
Just based on the reactions of Sam fans, and I am one too. I was not happy about the few seconds that he will appear in the episode, I confess, but I love the series, I love Dean, I love Sam, and I’ll never fail to see the series as the two of them and their relationship are the main focus.
Because the two are the main focus and always will be, I hope
Sam&Dean!Girl
Sep 30, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Melanie,I know what u mean. we’re SO like to have just two main characters.
I use to be into Heroes but I really only favored one or two of the characters but there are so many characters and so many storylines Im pretty bored when its not the characters I like.
likely I love all the main characters on Supernatural…..all two of them. lol
I feel kinda bad for people of only devote themselves to just Dean or just Sam.
its so much more enjoyable if u genuinely like/care about both characters.
can someone tell me what year dean goes back to?
the clothes they’re wearing looks very today.
Mileya
Sep 30, 2008 at 5:58 pm
God, you’re all like children. I’m a Dean!girl, but I love Sam with all my heart, and I enjoyed the mithology in which he was involved the same way I’m going to enjoy Dean’s. And if you stop watching the show just because of something so stupid like this, you’re not true fans. So don’t let the door hits you in the ass in your way out.
Ali
Sep 30, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Strangeworld, Elise never really leaves. She pops up on every single blog and message board, crying about how she’s done with the show… but the thing is, she’s been doing it for months now. She ain’t leaving. I wish she would, for the repetitiveness alone, but I think we’re stuck with her.
Melanie
Sep 30, 2008 at 6:48 pm
<<<<I feel kinda bad for people of only devote themselves to just Dean or just Sam.
its so much more enjoyable if u genuinely like/care about both characters.<<<<<<
Sam&Dean!Girl, exactly! I couldn’t imagine Supernatural without one of the both brothers, they are one character to me. *lol*
As a Sam fan how can I not feel for Dean and the way he cares for his brother?! He loves him just like I do! That alone is reason enough to adore him as well…
1973? Don’t know the exact year, but it’s definitely in the 70s. Like myself Dean’s born in 1979 (;D) so the episode has to be set a few years before…
Rachel
Sep 30, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Wow, this is…wow. Okay, prepare for some bitchiness, it’s coming on full throttle.
This seems like a really great way to weed out why people watch the show. For the story? Or for the pretty boys?
Seriously? How the hell can someone be such an avid fan of one of the brothers but not the other? I admit, I tend to laugh more (or cry more) in scenes that revolve around Dean, but that doesn’t make Sam any less important.
Since when do characters become more important than the story? It is being told through them, but it is not them. It’s bigger than Sam and Dean. It’s bigger than Azazel and Castiel and Ruby and Lilith.
Why don’t you (as in everyone who is bitching about screen time for either character) try watching the show for the story for once rather than the eye candy?
And me thinks I know what this big secret is about Sam. This is going purely off speculation and theories from over the years. No spoilers have tainted this. Let me guess…Sam is supposed to be the host for Lucifer once he is released? Big shocker…
I love this show to death. I breath it, sweat it, and crave more with each passing episode. So Kripke, my God whom I bow down to, I have full faith in you. So may I just be so humble to beg, please don’t let all the big twists be so predictable that we’ve already come up with them on forums and in our minds. Be more original than that!
Cynthia
Sep 30, 2008 at 7:55 pm
I’ve approved all the comments so far, but things are starting to lean toward the nasty. Debate the merits of Sam and Dean, but please don’t bring personalities or acting talents into the mix.
Jared and Jensen are both fabulous at what they do and they each bring something exciting to the table. Actors are people, too and I know they are both very nice guys who work hard to make a lot of people happy. I won’t tolerate bashing of either of them.
As for being a rabble rouser, well, the commenters started that way back when I posted the first comic con posts, so I knew when I saw that Sam wasn’t in this episode it was going to cause a firestorm. Storm now, or storm after the episode airs, people are still going to be angry.
And again I say, you’re all focused on the wrong thing! This episode is about John and Mary and you should be wondering what we’ll learn about them that we never knew before.
If you’re a fan and you don’t watch this one - you’ll be missing a lot.
Ashley
Sep 30, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Wow, thanks SO much for this! The spoilers you give are always so perfect, because they tell just enough to assure us that the episode’s going to be AMAZING, but not enough that we feel cheated out of a(n emotional) scene reaction or anything.
‘Cause yeah, everything you just told us (especially that certain scene with Dean and Mary) has me more excited than EVER about this episode; I just know it’s going to blow us all away now!
Um, I don’t really feel like reading the above comments now, judging by what I read in the comments for the clips, but I just wanted to say that whatever negative feedback you got for this episode review, I hope it doesn’t change how you continue to review future episodes. Seriously, stuff like what you did above is SO helpful for (I’m gonna go ahead and say) most of us, and the people who tend to freak out about stuff are going to do so no matter what they find out ahead of time.
Also, thanks very much for telling us about how little screen time Sam will have. I already assumed that would happen based on the episode description, but it’s always good to know things for sure to avoid any potential disappointment. : )
Anyway, thanks so much for this review! Knowing even this much makes waiting for Thursday a lot easier!
Laura
Sep 30, 2008 at 8:47 pm
I’m taking this episode as a way for Castiel to show Dean, the reason for the choices he may have to make..
I had the pleasure of meeting Jared this weekend, he’s a great guy.
I’ve said from the very beginning,that although we love seeing them on the screne together the story has to come first. And each of them deserves some time off the set.
Katie.
Sep 30, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Why is everyone acting like Prepubescent little brats?
Bickering like twelve-year-olds fighting over a crush. Pathetic.
Elise, go ahead, stop watching the show. But why do you feel the need to tell us you are going to stop watching the show. No one really cares that much, you know that right.
Don’t go away angry, just go away.
This fanbase is slowly running the fandom one “Where’s Sams ignored, Dean sucks, this show sucks blah blah blah blah.”
YAY! Lets give Dawn Ostroff one more reason to cancel Supernatural. I wanna drive this show into the ground, spit on it, and then throw dirt in its face. YAY!
People, I urge you, stop talking out of you asses! Anyone consider watching the episode before you start saying the show is going downhill?
I know the idea it absurd.
And this comment barely matters because no matter what you are all still going to fight. YAY! Lets make every person that has anything to do with this shows life a living hell! WOOT WOOT!
And then we can all punch babies!
Evelyne
Sep 30, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Me neither, I’m not very disappointed for Sam’s lack of appearance… Ah well, he can spend his time away from Dean with Ruby without fearing being caught… I know, I’m mean.
Back to the episode, I love Eric Kripke for that, he gave so much back to the fans, the one who’s been following since the beginning and the new one. Unlike other shows, like Lost being the best example, we’re not waiting years to have answers and they’re not new mysteries, they actually explain something!
We already know Jensen is an awesome actor but he’s managing to prove it to us every single new episode, amazing!
Can’t wait for Thursday night!
Lissa
Oct 1, 2008 at 12:07 am
I have to say, it’s a little bit frustrating to see so many people attacking each other over the whole thing, when we have yet to see the episode. Is it a bit shocking that Sam is only there for about 40 seconds? Sure (particularly because the sides gave me the opposite impression, but that’s beside the point). However, I’m personally not going to worry about it until I’ve seen the episode.
And on top of that, it really shocks me how many people are so focused on just one of the boys. This show is about both of them. Always has been. So every now and then one gets pushed to the forefront for a while. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes it’s necessary. Let’s wait and see before we blow up over the whole thing.
Personally? Not that concerned that Sam’s only going to be there for 40 seconds. Why? Because Jared is wonderful, and if those 40 seconds are as pivotal as I imagine they will be, he is going to blow us all away. Same would be true if it were Jensen in his place. I will admit to being just a little bit more partial to Jensen, but when it comes to the show? I’m just as much a Sam!girl as I am a Dean!girl. So yeah, maybe it’s a bit unsettling to see only one of them at the forefront, but why can’t we at least give it a chance? It’s a story that needs to be told. Maybe it could have been just as effective with Sam right there beside Dean… But let’s not make that assumption simply because we WANT Sam there. Let’s wait to find out exactly WHY Sam isn’t there…
MissingSam
Oct 1, 2008 at 2:51 am
“So, I’m assuming that it’s not so much about Sam as it is Jared. Ok. Got it. Which again, is really too bad because from all indications there is a ton of information revealed ABOUT Sam’s story. Jared certainly didn’t seem upset at Eyecon. On the contrary, he seemed very excited about Sam’s storyline this season and it seems to me that this particular episode is going to move Sam’s storyline forward in a big way.”
Actually I was disappointed with the whole sam being possessed story in one way. Because despite the fact that sam was possessed and the demon used his body to kill someone, and to beat Dean and Jo, we did not see beyond that episode how it affected Sam at all. Which is totally typical with Sam’s characterisation.
And sorry I should have been clearer, meg as sam was hot as hell, I enjoyed Jareds portrayl of Meg!Sam immensely and these things made up to some extent for the lack of Sam. I am hoping something in this episode will do the same. Something as awesome as getting to see Jared stretch his acting chops and seeing how hot Meg!Sam is. I am hoping this hugely pivotal episode is everything it is touted to be. I am looking forward to seeing it.
Heather
Oct 1, 2008 at 4:36 am
Rachel:
“Let me guess…Sam is supposed to be the host for Lucifer once he is released? ”
Oooo I really hadn’t thought of this! I thought it might come down to a Sam vs Dean. Since it seems like with Sam boy king and demon powers and Dean maybe being chosen by God it was going to go down the path of Good vs Evil which I suppose it could still go this way, but this is a very interesting idea!
As for the screen time I understand the upset, it’s weird not having your both boys on the screen. But I’m really looking forward to what I think are going to me some major mythology aspects to the show, so it won’t stop me from watching it. Plust I just heart Mitch Pileggi. :-D
I think that the first few episodes are more focousing on Dean because he was pulled out of Hell by an Angel supposetly and that is a major thing that has be be investigated. Doesn’t mean there not going to stumble upon this being about Sam too. Which doesn’t bother me either, because this show has been about the boys since episode one. I am just glad they pulled Dean into the mythology aspect of it ‘cus now both boys have a purpose rather then Dean “protective brother.” :-)
I am stoked about this season.
Rachel
Oct 1, 2008 at 4:56 am
MissingSam: Did we see how Sam being possessed by Meg (which I agree was very hot. The only time I’ve actually found Sam sexy haha.) affected Dean after the fact? No, we didn’t.
Look, this is just like the argument about which religion is the true religion. Every religion has their heels dug into their beliefs and personal opinions so much that it’s damned near impossible for them to be swayed one way or the other.
Honestly, I get it. I would be pretty pissed if Dean only got forty seconds of screen time. But I sure as hell wouldn’t whine about it like, as Katie said (Heeeey, I know you!!! From tv.com forums!! How come I agree with you here but not there? lmao) like prepubescent girls fighting over a crush. This is pretty nostalgic of my middle school days!
And what’s even more ridiculous is that rather than supporting our show which is very overlooked and under promoted to the point of always being on the cancellation bubble, we act like little brats who can never be satisfied.
Sam girls feel that the youngest Winchester has gotten the short end of the story stick because Kripke and Co. have failed to explore his emotions and reactions more in-depth.
And Dean girls feel that Dean has gotten the short end of the story stick because other than being Sam’s protector and son of John, he hasn’t really had any real importance to the story.
Well, here are my personal opinions on those facts.
To all you Sam girls, I’ll just have you know that Sam and Dean are both emotionally complex, but in different ways. Sam (at least in the past) wore his heart on his sleeve like a little pansy emo. When he was sad, he said so. When he wanted something, he went and got it, or at least made it known that he wanted it. Sam grew up in the exact same life as Dean, but that doesn’t mean their pain is equal. Only now does he really understand the full burden of sacrifice. Before, he never really gave anything up for the good of someone else. He wanted out of hunting, so he left the family even though he was needed there. He wanted a girlfriend and a somewhat normal life, and he got one. He didn’t get a girlfriend after that because he thought he was cursed. He hunted out of vengeance and also wanted to know what was going on with him and his psychic stuff. Only now has he had to actually give something of himself for another person and not for his own gain.
Dean on the other hand was pushed into being an adult at a very young age because John depended on him to help take care of Sam because he was too consumed with hunting to give them everything they needed. Dean wanted a normal life, but he couldn’t because of Sam. He wanted a long lasting relationship, but couldn’t because he had to stay focused on the fight. And because he felt he couldn’t have these things (or were worthy of them, low self-esteem thanks to dear ol’ Dad) he suppressed, or tried to suppress, his feelings about them because it’s a lot easier to convince yourself you don’t want something to face the fact that you simply can’t have it even if you did want it.
Now about Dean and this whole mess about his story always being tied to Sam. His life has been tied to Sam since he was four years old. It’s a big part of his character and what makes him…well…him. And it really contributes to this absolutely stunningly beautiful love story (take that as you will) between these two brothers who have to set their differences aside to save each other and save the world. Another thing is, if you’ve got too many plots going, then it gets a little too cluttered and sloppy.
I think with this Castiel thing, it’s story enough. He was chosen for whatever reason by God to help save the world. That’s a pretty big thing. That’s not just tied to Sam. Now if my theory about Sam supposed to be the host for Lucifer is correct, than it would surly still be tied to Sam, but think of how much angst and how much more depth that’s going to bring to his character! The one person he loves more than anything in existence, even himself, is going to be the very thing that will help bring on the end of the world. Not only is he going to be conflicted between saving the world by killing his brother or turning a blind eye and protecting him instead, he’s going to have to really dig deep down within himself to find his own personal strength (which hasn’t really played a big role because he’s always had a crutch, i.e. John, Sam…) to decide what’s more important: the world, or *his* world? Very juicy, deep, good stuff right there.
I know, I sound like a Dean!girl. I proudly admit to being partial to him, but what I’m really trying to say here is that…well…a couple of things really:
A) This story is about BOTH brothers. Sam and his struggle (and eventual collapse) to not become evil, and Dean dealing with literally the weight of the world on his shoulders and having to make the right decision which could directly result in either the death of his brother or the death of the world.
B) Just like how I feel about my ladies: the less you cover up, the less mystery, and that makes me less interested in what’s underneath if you go showing it off all the time. But keep those layers on, only occasionally letting me get a peek at what’s underneath, and I’ll be even more interested to get even a mere glimpse into the hidden world under there. So because Sam was always more open with his feelings, it made me personally less interested or intrigued because it was all right there, while we had to really look closely and analyze and guess what was under Dean’s facade, fascinated by every little rare glimpse we got.
And (last one I swear) C) God does exist. His name is Eric Kripke!! *Bows down* I’m not worthy!! I’m not worthy!!
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