Supernatural Hits the Easy Button
As you already know, this past week’s episode of Supernatural was one of my all-time favorites. I thought it was well-written, exciting, well-acted and a real love letter to the fans who have been with the show since day one.
However, there are a number of fans who don’t feel the way I do and it has sparked a great deal of debate not just here but all across the fandom.
So, in the spirit of the great political debates of the past weeks, I give you a Supernatural rebuttal written by Jen M.
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Supernatural Hits the Easy Button
This episode reminded me of those Staples commercials, with the Easy button. Don’t feel like doing things the way they should be done? Too lazy to actually fix things? Slap the big red button and your problems are solved. I have a sneaking suspicion that a similar line of thinking lead to the finished product of “In the Beginning”.
I hated it. Hands down the worst episode of the series. Worse than “Bugs” with its ‘instadawn’. Worse than “Route 666” with its killer racist truck and the total lack of chemistry between Dean and Cassie. Worse even than “No Exit”, despite the abundance of Jo in that episode, and the mishandling of what could have been an amazing story.
It was aimless, plotless, and then at the end they slapped a big fat “to be continued” on it. To be continued when? Why not just label it “Oops, we didn’t feel like writing an ending for this one so we’re taking the easy way out”? So next week we get tossed an average monster of the week episode, which appears to have nothing to do with this episode we just sat through. When do we get answers? The other half of the episode? Why on earth would they do that and then just skip off to save some random person next week?
TO BE CONTINUED
This is poor planning, poor timelining, and half-hearted storytelling. There is no reason for the episode to just dangle like this. If it needs its second half to be complete, then it should be aired the week before the second half airs. Or better yet, take it back to the writers and tell them that you won’t accept an episode that isn’t strong enough to at least limp along on its own. I’m not sure this episode was capable of sitting up without assistance, much less standing.
If next week is the second half to this episode, why wasn’t it billed that way? It would make sense that the audience would want to know the resolution to the cliffhanger they gave us, so why not make it clear to us that we would get at least some of the answers in the next episode?
LET’S MAKE A DEAL
Another demon deal. Is that the only way to fix problems in the Supernatural universe? I would call it a Deus ex machina, except that the definition of that term states that it is “an improbable contrivance in a story characterized by a sudden unexpected solution to a seemingly intractable problem”. What I have a problem with here is the word “improbable”. At this point, a Winchester (or soon to be Winchester in Mary’s case), making a deal for their loved one’s life is hardly an unlikely event. Neither is it “sudden” or “unexpected”. It’s almost a guarantee. If they had revealed something about the deal at the time that “Home” aired, to explain the apology in that episode, it would have been a shocking and heartbreaking moment. With two Winchester deals already under our belts, however, it smacks of laziness to me.
Mary’s deal left a sour taste in my mouth on more than just a convenience front. Up to this point, she was a tragic figure, the cause for our heroes’ crusade. Now I can’t help but feel like her death was nothing more than what she deserved. If she had been ignorant to the machinations of demons there might be some excuse for her choice. Having been raised a hunter, and given her assumption that Azazel wanted her soul as payment for the deal, which would have been correct had she been dealing with a different demon, it seems that she had a fair idea of how these things work. She had to have known that whatever he wanted from her in ten years time would be big, and something that she likely would not want to give up when the time came. I have a very hard time finding her death a tragedy when she sacrificed her youngest son, unknowingly or not, just because she couldn’t bear to be alone.
It is nice to finally know what Mary was apologizing to Sam for in “Home”. She owed him more than just an “I’m sorry” if you ask me, since every single thing he’s gone through since the day she died has been a direct result of the deal she made. She was young, and scared, and confused, I get that. Those are reasons for what she did, but they’re not excuses. Everyone she loved wound up paying a very high price for the choice she made that night, and I can’t help but wonder how it could possibly be worth it.
WHO’S RUNNING THIS SHOW?
It seems that Kripke didn’t even care enough to write this one himself. If this was the big payoff to his story so far, why didn’t he write this one? Putting myself in his shoes, it would have been hard to let something that was supposed to be pivotal to the whole series out of my hands. Or why not at least give it to Sera Gamble, who can write a solid episode, or Cathryn Humphris, who has delivered some good, deep scripts. Carver was all over the place. It reminds me of a first grader’s art project, with everything but the kitchen sink thrown in just because it’s shiny and fun to play with. There was no coherency, no cohesion, no nothing. I knew I recognized the writer’s name when it first popped up on screen, but I had to look him up to see what episodes he had written before.
It was no surprise to me to find “Sin City” as one of his credits. Once I saw the connection, I realized that a lot of the issues I had with “In the Beginning”, I had also had with Carver’s first credit in this series. The difference was that “Sin City” didn’t suffer from the same delusions of grandeur that this latest effort did. The strange, aimless wandering of the plot, and the completely disjointed feeling were a lot easier to forgive when it was an episode that, though it did have salient points, wasn’t claiming to be the episode to end all episodes. “In the Beginning” wanted so desperately to be ground breaking, to be amazing, almost, dare I say, cosmic. It had all the wrappings and trappings of an awesome episode, but inside it was hollow.
Carver is capable of more, evidenced by “A Very Supernatural Christmas”, which was an enjoyable, fairly solid episode. There were a few holes in the plot, but it was a satisfying installment. That has been one of the most consistently frustrating things about Supernatural to me. Like the old nursery rhyme, when they’re good, they are very good, but when they are bad, they’re horrid. The audience is spoiled by knowing what awesome heights they are capable of, making us even tougher critics when things go awry.
Fortunately they soar more often than they fall.
WE’RE ONLY ACTING!
One place that the fault does not lie is with the cast. Everyone in this one was excellent. Jensen Ackles was stunning, as is almost always the case. His scene with Mary, particularly the bit where he begged her not to even get out of bed on that fateful night, was heartbreakingly beautiful. Mitch Pileggi was stellar, especially when his character was possessed. The one flat note I had found in the cast earlier in the episode was with the actor playing the possessed doctor. He failed to act anything even remotely like Azazel has been presented to us over the course of the series. Pileggi, on the other hand, nailed it. Nuances of Fred Lehne’s performance were there, but not enough to make it seem like an impersonation, just a solid nod to the actor who had the longest run in the role. I was amazed by the familiar expressions that found their way across Samuel Campbell’s face, an excellent, quiet reminder of his connection to Sam and Dean. Both Amy Gumenick and Matt Cohen handled their roles very well, though I would have to argue that this young version of John Winchester seemed awfully naïve and a bit clueless. That fault most likely lies in the script, and perhaps the direction, not with the actors themselves.
It would be nice to know what lead to the decision to nearly completely exclude Sam, and by obvious extension, Jared Padalecki from this episode. Various explanations have been tossed around between fans, but I don’t think we’ve gotten an actual answer for that from anyone in the know, besides the quote from that interview with Mitch Pileggi, and that particular version of events seems exceedingly odd. Whatever the reason, I don’t think it was a good choice, and I know it was one that hit home with a lot of fans, and hurt them.
BROTHER, BROTHER, BROTHER. . .
This show has always been about two brothers, something that it seems the people in charge might need to be reminded of. I don’t like seeing either brother shoved aside, dumbed down, or made superfluous, and it needs to stop. Less Castiel, more brothers.
Hopefully it’s just an aberration, and all will be well soon.
I just…I’m at a loss. I feel like someone has torn my show to shreds and danced on the remains. This fandom attracts people who are very passionate about their show, and I’m proud to count myself among their numbers. But seeing this travesty splashed across my screen as an episode of Supernatural almost makes me heartsick.
I have one tiny, nearly guttered flame of hope left. One last wish that may still be granted. We all know that Kripke loves to tease the fans, to watch us react as he jerks our chains. Perhaps this is just a rather hard pull on our collective legs? Is he hiding the second half to this episode up his sleeve, and behind a misleading promo just to watch us squeal?
Improbable. But not impossible. And right now that’s enough for me.
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90 opinions for Supernatural Hits the Easy Button
LindsayW
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I only have one thing to say. You are very much in the minority with your thoughts on this absolutely amazing episode that was instantly moved into my top 5 eppy list.
Teebabe
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I felt a little jilted when it aired, but I was completely spoiled, so none of the big reveals were big to me at all. There were some issues with plot in this episode, but I don’t think this rant is anything but a rant by someone who did not get what they wanted and is, therefore, going to pick at every possible thing. I notice that the one thing Miss Jen avoided mentioning was the lack of Sam, which I’m sure she did specifically to cover her bitterness. Taking notes from Cynthia on bait and switch are you, Jen?
‘m very sorry this is the person they chose to do a public rebuttal. Talk about dumbing things down. I see this quality of episode review on chat forums and message boards, which is why I no longer go to those places. Nothing ruins intelligent thought like group mentality.
Apparently, Miss Jen M cannot even be bothered to check her grammar. Miss Jen, please do not ever put yourself in Kripke’s shoes. A lot of people would be out a very good show if that happened.
This could have been done in much better taste. This just sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of her playpen.
Diana
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm
I would love to see an episode in Sam’s pov.
Lauren
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I definitely agree that this was not one of the strongest episodes, and I did feel that the demon deal and the TBC were definite cop outs. An Easy Button episode might be selling it a BIT short though, in my opinion.
Nici
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:22 pm
OUCH!
I so disagree with this Jen M (and with this “number of fans”). I thought it was a great episode and I’m totally with Cynthia. It was a love letter to the fans.
Well writen, well acted, we get answers.
Which answers she didn’t get anyway? She DID watch the episode, right?
I won’t even try to explain the reason for “To Be Continued”. Hopefuly Jen M. will be able to watch it next week ans see it herself. *Shakes head*
lostinspace
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Errr, did we watch the same episode?
Yes, Bugs, Route 666 and No Exit were duds, but In The Beginning certainly isn’t, much less, “Hands down the worst episode of the series.” Also, why not wait to actually watch 404 next (i.e. the TBC episode) before condemning it, yes?
All that said, I agree with these points:
- John’s naivete - too excessive, even if it was to show how circumstances dramatically changed each individual. Also, let’s see Mary talk her way out of that last scene!
- Mary’s decision - she could’ve taken the “higher road” but didn’t. To err is human after all. While her actions were selfish, she did lose everyone she loved in one night! Would anything have changed if Dean wasn’t there (same destinies notwithstanding)? This did start the vicious cycle of sacrificial demon-dealing that has plagued the family ever since though, aka more angst.
- Stellar casting and acting - I’d like to think this is also a function of good writing and directing too. (BTW, it should be a good thing that Kripke has enough confidence in his team to not need to pen every episode relevant to the “mytharc.”)
shelby02
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Cynthia, first thank you for inviting another opinion to be shared. Jen, than you for your well written and thoughtful review of the episode.
This episode could never be a “love letter” to me as a fan. Although it attempted to tie up all of the loose ends and questions that I have had since the first episode, it did so without including Sam Winchester. Sam and Dean are the heart of this show. How do you have an episode that explains why everthing up to this point has happened to the Winchesters and not include both of them? I agree with Jen completely that as a viewer I want to see Sam and Dean, not Dean and Castiel or even Dean and Bobby.
I realize I will take a lot of grief for this opinion, but I believe that Supernatural has moved from a show about two brothers hunting things and saving people to a show about one brother (Dean) and his journey to save his younger brother. Many people say that because Sam has had the mytharc, the show has always been about him, but I disagree. Since last season in particular, it seems as though everything is seen through Deans eyes. Sam has literally become a “passenger” on this trip. Watching out for Sam may be Dean’s focus, but understanding Sam is no longer the focus of the show, or even Dean for that matter.
It’s possible that Kripke has chosen to limit our understanding of Sam because of where he wants to take the story. The problem with that is that by never exploring or repeatedly delaying exploration of what Sam is thinking or what his motivations are, viewers will begin to become apathetic about the character. Many already have and I for one blame that on poor writing and poor characterization. Dean has shared more emotion with both Bobby and Castiel than he has Sam this season.
Fans have been promised that the character of Sam will be explored mid-season. Why do we have to wait that long to get into the head of one of only 2 main characters on the show?
I want to have faith, that my favorite show will somehow return, but I must admit that right now I am not very optimistic.
Patty
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I’m with LostinSpace and, I think, the majority of fans. This was a great episode. As a fan that has watched most episodes numerous times (and can find good things about Bugs and Route 666 - just not many) this episoe made total sense to me and my brains explanation as to how I think time travel works (if it were real) You might be able to change some of the circumstances but you can’t change how people will react in thise same situations. Plus, I think Dean was there the whole time. Otherwise, the brothers would be driving a VW bus.
DearHeart
Oct 5, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Hmmmm….I’m gonna have to “BOO!!!” you off the stage on this one Jen M. This episode was pretty much the BEST episode EVER!!!! Out of ALL the seasons, this episode was the most shocking, the most exciting and just pretty much the most AMAZING hour of my life! So WAY TO GO Steve Boyum for a wonderful job directing and THANK YOU SO MUCH to writer, Jeremy Carver for creating such a thrilling story.
Ali
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm
While I’m not a huge fan of Carver (the episode you listed as one of his better ones, A Very Supernatural Christmas, was a dud for me on many, many levels… even the schmoopy brotherly love at the end couldn’t save it), I thought he did a great job with this episode. Time travel is tough in general, but I thought he did a good job explaining Supernatural’s take on it via Castiel at the end, and I loved Mary and her family. The acting, as you said, was remarkable, and the casting was spot-on. (Again, can’t say enough about the gal who played Mary. Her expressions were so like Samantha Smith’s.)
So, yeah. Completely disagree.
KayDee
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm
As an avid fan of Supernatural, reading opinions like Jen M’s and others are why I’ve decided to not frequent fanboards and possibly not SF Universe any longer. I’m kinda tired of the “everyone has the right to their opinion” clause to every board. What ever happened to “if you don’t have anything nice to say, say nothing at all?”
Well, I agree with Cynthia that ITB was a terrific episode. And for those who can’t seem to stop harping about Sam, Sam was the focal point of S1 and S2. So Dean had a running story through S3 - so what? Sam was very much a part of the season. And we’re THREE EPISODES into S4. Three! Those who say the series has ceased to be about two brothers without having seen more of the season than this aren’t going to be satisfied with anything other than Dean leaving the show and having the remainder of the series built around Sam. So Dean had ONE episode without Sam. IT’S ONE EPISODE. Aw, well. Pointing out the obvious isn’t going to make Sam fans more generous toward Dean. Sorry. Don’t think I’ll reply to these anymore. Going off to rewatching “In the Beginning!”
Danajeanne
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:15 pm
I did think this was a good episode, a needed one, but I would have liked it a lot better if both brothers had been there together.
It does seem to me that we’ve been ‘robbed’ of seeing what’s going through Sam’s head. We’re seeing things that Dean ‘remembers’ from Hell, but what about when Sam was dead? What did he experience? How does Sam feel about what he’s doing now, with his powers? How does he feel after four months of hunting without his brother to suddenly have Dean back and “leading the show”?
We’ve never had an kind of closure for Sam with HIS “daddy issues” or HIS lack of self-esteem, or any of the numerous Dean “problems” that we’re being hit over the head with over and over again.
We got an immediate, long reaction from Dean to Sam’s death in AHBL2, but we’re having to wait, what? 8 or 9 episodes into this season to find out what happened to Sam after Dean went to Hell!? Why?
Above all else, I want to see the brothers together, standing together against evil. Not split up with a questionable angel on one side, and a badly acted demon girl on the other.
shelby02
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm
KayDee, perhaps you won’t ever see this response, but please let me be clear, I don’t want Dean to leave nor do I want the show to be about Sam. I want the show to be about both brothers. Why does one season have to be about one or the other? There are only 2 characters, why can’t they both be an active part of the storytelling?
Ali
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:33 pm
“Why does one season have to be about one or the other?”
Shelby, this episode was entirely about Sam. If you didn’t see that, there’s not much else to say, I guess.
karin
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Actually, I felt Season 1 was a very well done, balanced year with both brothers front and center, together, fighting evil. Season 2 was pretty much the same, with Dean’s horrible reaction to thier father’s death and Sam’s visions and ‘destiny.’
It wasn’t until season three, that things became unbalanced–to me–and began to focus more on Dean than Sam. I can understand that part of that is due to the writers’ strike and the need to finish up with what was going to happen to Dean. However we still weren’t given very much insight into how Sam was feeling about what Dean had done–unlike what we saw with Dean and his anger at the deal John made. Every once in a while we had a short blip of Sam talking to Bobby about Dean’s deal and that’s it.
And then Season four starts out– Sam doesn’t even show up until 20 minutes into the first epside, and then we get a whopping 40 seconds with him in episode 3– what’s supposed to be the BIG PAYOFF, and no Sam. And from looking at the spoilers for the upcoming episodes, it’s like– Sam Who? We’re seeing Dean does this, and Dean does that, and Dean figures this out…
WHY COULDN’T SAM GO BACK IN TIME WITH DEAN? That’s the question I would like Kripke to answer. Did Jared have something he had to do that week and so was written out? Or does Eric simply have a little man crush on Jensen and want his show to be All About Jensen and his perfect little Tear?
Teebabe
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:42 pm
All the Sam fans are so anxious to get into Sam’s head and they want to do it right now.
What are they going to do if they find something there they don’t like? Decide they want a show about what’s going on in his pants?
These shows are written for intelligent people by writers who know the meaning of show and don’t tell. If people are waiting to be told what’s going on, then they really don’t know the character at all, or they’re too busy looking at his pecs.
As far as what he’s up to. I think we have plenty of clues. They’re just not telling you what you want to hear and you want him to come on and say, “Really, I’m sweet and innocent and broken. I’m not doing anything wrong at all.”
Save that for the bad fanfic.
Ali
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:53 pm
“Or does Eric simply have a little man crush on Jensen”
That strikes me as a pretty homophobic comment, as you’re clearly trying to insult Kripke, and doing it through the suggestion that he’s attracted to another man. Could we not bring bigotry into this?
Sara
Oct 5, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Woah, I think this review was rather harsh, unfair and biased.
I thought this episode was excellent, and that’s suprising coming from me because I don’t like many of Carver’s episodes (including the one this reviewer seems to like, the Christmas episode).
This episode was necessary to answer some questions and to bring Dean into the loop of certain information that Sam has known, but not shared.
Danajeanne -
- “We’re seeing things that Dean ‘remembers’ from Hell…”
What are we seeing that Dean remembers? We’ve seen two flashes of eyes, that’s it. Yes, I’m sure we’ll get more, just like we’re getting an episode that deals with what Sam was doing during while Dean was in Hell.
- “How does Sam feel about what he’s doing now, with his powers?”
We were told this by Sam himself - Sam said that “it feels good” and he seems to be proud of what he’s accomplished and wants to keep doing it more.
- “…HIS lack of self-esteem, or any of the numerous Dean “problems” that we’re being hit over the head with over and over again.”
What lack of self-esteem does Sam have? I don’t think he does. Sam is proud of what he’s accomplished, he knows what a feat it was to get into Stanford on a full ride. Just because Dean and Sam are brothers doesn’t mean they have to have the exact same issues.
madcap
Oct 6, 2008 at 12:08 am
Um “To be continued” means they are going to pick up the episode where they left off. Presumably that means Dean is going to charge off to find Sam and Ruby doing whatever it is they do. Unless his powers have suddenly struck Sam mute, I can’t imagine won’t be hearing about what he’s been doing and why.
As to the rest of this “article,” sorry I’m not buying it. This is obviously just another disgruntled samgirl making the same arguments that I’ve seen on other message boards. The only thing missing is the Jensen-overacted declaration and the Bobby-hating. For that I thank you.
Cynthia I have enjoyed your articles a great deal in the past and I understand that you are trying increase traffic to your website but lately you have been pandering rather blatantly to the whiny Sam fans. Since they are the same six sockpuppets who have popped up on every Supernatural board with the same repetitive arguments. Nothing new with this article either so I guess there’s no reason for me to hang around here much anymore.
Em
Oct 6, 2008 at 12:20 am
Funny how no one was ever offering Dean fans essays of rebuttal all those years we were saying Dean has no role in the mytharc and being told we were just crazy and imagining it(so I guess Jensen and the writers are just imagining it now when they are saying that Dean is NOW being included where he wasn’t before?).
But in any case, I hated the idea of this episode - hate the idea of time travel, hated Jeremy Carver writing a Dean-centric episode because I think generally speaking he sucks at writing Dean. I have to say though, while I think some things could have been made more clear, he did really well on this. As time travel episodes go, this was stands up pretty well on the logic scale with the explanation that you can’t change the past(which is in keeping the other Carver episode the Sam-centric Mystery Spot, where no matter how many times the day repeated, Sam could not save Dean no matter how he tried to change things) but that the future is still open.
The acting was fantastic, which could go without saying, but it still needs to be said. :)
madcap
Oct 6, 2008 at 12:25 am
“To be continued” means they are going to pick up the episode where they left off. Presumably that means Dean is going to charge off to find Sam and Ruby doing whatever it is they do. Unless his powers have suddenly struck Sam mute, I can’t imagine we won’t be hearing about what he’s been doing and why.
As to the rest of this “article,” sorry I’m not buying it. This is obviously just another disgruntled samgirl making the same arguments that I’ve seen on other message boards. The only thing missing is the Jensen-overacted declaration and the Bobby-hating. For that I thank you.
Cynthia I have enjoyed your articles a great deal in the past and I understand that you are trying increase traffic to your website but lately you have been pandering rather blatantly to the whiny Sam fans. They are the same six sockpuppets who have popped up on every Supernatural board with the same repetitive arguments. Nothing new with this article either so I guess there’s no reason for me to hang around here much anymore.
Cynthia
Oct 6, 2008 at 12:45 am
Madcap: Actually, this isn’t the first time we’ve offered rebuttal space to someone who wrote me with a long, dissenting opinion. And since I saw a number of unhappy fans on a variety of boards including TWOP and LJ, this seemed like a good place to accept the challenge Jen presented. I’d be sorry to lose you as a reader, but the truth is, I’d rather visit a forum that sees all sides rather than one who insists that only their own opinion is the correct one — thus the reason we allow comments and guest posters.
Also, seeing as how I raved about the episode sans Sam, I hardly see how that is pandering to the Sam-ites one little bit.
KayDee
Oct 6, 2008 at 1:31 am
shelby02 - Obviously my word means nothing .. at least tonight. lol
What I fail to understand, is why fans are so up-in-arms about one episode without Sam. “All Hell Breaks Loose” Part 1 pretty much featured all Sam and very little Dean. Sure, Dean had about 5 minutes of screen whereas Sam had about 40 seconds in “In The Beginning.” But from what Cynthia said, Sam has a second near solo episode coming up.
“In the Beginning” is only the 3rd episode in a 22-episode 4th season! Yes, the series is about two brothers. But this doesn’t mean they need to be joined at the hip every single second of every single episode. Sometimes they’ll need to go their own way, as Sam is doing behind Dean’s back this season. It’s not realistic for Sam and Dean to be always together. Strictly speaking, over 3 seasons, we’ve only had 2 episodes where one brother was featured to the exclusion of the other (as already mentioned). That’s a pretty darn good track record.
madcap
Oct 6, 2008 at 2:05 am
Cynthia I would probably be a lot less cranky about this if the essay had said something I hadn’t seen on 15 other sites and in the comments sections of every single pre-episode review that I read. People made up their minds before the episode ever came out and are just repeating the same thing again and again. But I do take your point about allowing all opinions. I guess I’m just bored by the same ol’, same ol’.
Also Em makes a very good point. When Dean fans complained they were told they were rabid, crazy and that they should just shut up and go away. (Not necessarily by you, but it was a general sentiment in fandom.) But when Sam fans complain, their FOS rights must be defended at all costs. Just feels like the same old double standards coming into play. But it’s your site and you should run it as you see fit.
tina
Oct 6, 2008 at 2:27 am
Just treat the boys equally thats all its not hard, do what s best for both , has characters.Dean is not entitled to more because his Dean and neither is Sam , they are both simply entitled to the same.
Dean has the pov ths s why it seems everythng comes from him, the show needs to do that for Sam otherwse you have a plot device not a chracter. This is a two show story , tell it from two points of view, thats how it has been done in numerous other shows it isnt hard.
Lizzie
Oct 6, 2008 at 2:50 am
I would think that the reason for Sam’s absence from this episode would be clear, if you watched it. It would have made absolutely no sense for Castiel to take Sam back too, since he’s obviously leery of trusting someone who’s consorting with demons, and has even charged Dean with straightening his brother out. As a SamGirl, I missed Sam, of course. But I completely understand why he was excluded from this little trip through time, and from the episode. Perhaps a better solution would have been to film this as a two-parter, and switched back and forth between Dean in the past and Sam in the present, but as a single 40 minute episode, there simply wouldn’t have been time to tell the story if we had to follow Sam as well.
As for the use of ‘To be continued’, that is a time-honored tradition in television, and since it’s such a petty and ridiculous rant, I feel like this whole article is simply a thinly veiled attempt to trash an episode simply for the lack of Jared Padalecki. And saying that ‘Route 666′ or ‘No Exit’ were better than this episode instantly makes you loose any credibility in my eyes.
I am no fan of Jeremy Carver’s, and I usually dislike his episodes, but even I have to admit this was a well written, near-perfect story.
Peaches
Oct 6, 2008 at 3:01 am
/Less Castiel, more brothers./
Thank you!
Mali
Oct 6, 2008 at 4:52 am
It was a good episode but certainly never going to be one of my favourites. It was good to get answers finally and at least it seems that now Sam’s story might actually be allowed to progress. Although I hate that it seems that Sam is going to be shut out of the things Dean learnt about him, as he was with the BS in S2, just so we can see Dean emo over it all instead.
And I completely agree with Peaches above - more brothers, less Castiel please.
*bright73
Oct 6, 2008 at 6:29 am
I find it kind of obvious that Sam-lovers need to protest against the new SPN. This show started out as a show about two brothers, it’s been slowly declining in that department since S2.
And it is further obvious that Kripke is steered by what the ondine fandom says, and Sam-fans have been quiet for too long.
I know that a show is on the lippery slope when I have to read spoilers to know if it’s worth watching or not. This year, unfortunately there seems to be nothing about Sam, all over there’s not even much of my loved brotherhood. I wouldn’t say anything if the Dean centric season 3 would have pulled down major ratings, but it didn’t.
If this is what Kripke meant by S4 alienating half of the fandom, he was spot on. But was it a good decision to put one of the leads on the back burner?
I’ve been reading spoilers and I don’t find much at all to look forward to. Is this the thanks I get for helpig you salvage the show after S1, Kripke?
Charlotte
Oct 6, 2008 at 7:08 am
First of all, I think this was a well-done episode. I could enjoy it on an intellectual level and appreciate it for its storytelling merits. However, as Sam is my emotional connection to the show, parts of it left me cold. I’ve seen Dean angst about Mary countless times already, so seeing it again didn’t do much for me. However, finding out what led up to the tragic lives of the Winchester brothers, that I found powerful. I only hope that when Sam finds out the truth about what his mother did it is an episode that is equally as powerful and thoughtful and gives as much attention and focus to his reaction as this one did to Dean. I’d hate to see Sam find out in a two-minute scene tacked on to the end of an episode, or even just having Dean tell him. I’d love to see Sam find out from Mary in some way. The show is called Supernatural after all, they could find a way to bring her back.
“What lack of self-esteem does Sam have? I don’t think he does. Sam is proud of what he’s accomplished, he knows what a feat it was to get into Stanford on a full ride. Just because Dean and Sam are brothers doesn’t mean they have to have the exact same issues.”
Stanford was a long time ago. I would think that after all Sam’s been through, most especially failing to save his brother and the whole part-demonic thing (or whatever Sam’s got going on), that he’s not feeling the same way about himself anymore. I would think…which is the problem. So often we have to fanwank like crazy to figure out what Sam is thinking. So often we’re wondering what’s going on inside his head–case in point is all last season there was the “Did he come back wrong” question that was never answered, most likely due to the strike. I realize that a lot of that is because Sam is meant to be somewhat of a mystery due to the fact that he has these strange powers and that Azazel wanted him for some reason and the demons thought he would lead them etc., etc., etc. The problem is if you go on with that too long the mysteries become tiresome and the character becomes difficult to relate to. Maybe by answering the central mystery of why Sam is the way he is will free up the writers to stop raising questions about Sam and start answering them.
And before someone says that the reason Sam is difficult to relate to is not because we don’t know much about him but because what we know about him isn’t very likeable, hooey. First of all, there are quite a few people who do relate to Sam and like him, as evidenced by the big dustup that occurred because of this episode. Secondly, there are two protagonists on the show, and I doubt that if you asked Kripke he would say he intended one to be sympathetic and the other one not to be. They both have their strengths and flaws, but neither one is intended to be “better” than the other, at least I hope not. When Dean has exhibited unlikeable characteristics, those were all eventually explained by what he was going through internally in a number of key episodes. The Sam character should be given the same courtesy.
As I see it, there have been two episodes now where Sam hasn’t been present, No Exit and In the Beginning. No Exit had more screentime for Sam, but as he had no role in the episode, he may as well not have been there. In the Beginning had less screentime for Sam, but I preferred it because he was important to the plot and it answered lots of questions about Sam and set up potential storytelling opportunities for the younger Winchester brother. There’s been so much potential in the past for the writers to get into Sam’s motivations and they really haven’t as yet. So if that is where this episode leads I’m okay with it. If it doesn’t, then not so much, so for me it’s a wait and see. I hope they don’t drop the ball with Sam this season.
Sam doesn’t have Dean’s issues. But dangit, he’s got, or he should have, a heck of a lot of his own. I think seeing into Sam’s dreams or nightmares or hidden thoughts would be pretty enlightening about the character and I hope the writers find a way to do that.
strangelove
Oct 6, 2008 at 7:49 am
Let me first say that, thank you Cynthia and you were correct. This episode ended up being fantastic. I loved it and am surprised that Carver wrote such an awesome Dean. I will, from now on, restrain from criticizing the writer till I’ve seen his episodes.
While the Sam fans continue to moan and groan, as they have been for the past three years, no matter what Kripke does for them, how much he gives them, and has bent over backwards trying to please them, there will be some that won’t be satisfied till the show is all about Sam with Sam in it for the majority and Dean is once again relegated to being just Sam’s brother with nothing to do unless it’s about Sam and no life unless it revolves around Sam.
This type of mentality is what I’ve been reading for the past three years and I was almost going to stop watching becuase it looked like Kripke was going to give the Sam fans everything, including an almost non-existant Dean.
Well, looks like Dean is here to stay. Equal and just as important as Sam. For this I thank Kripke and as long as he keeps Dean just as important as Sam and equal in their relationship, then I will be happy. I kind of got tired of Dean, the slave brother of the almighty Sam.
If the fans that complain they don’t know Sam, still do, I suggest you watch the past three seasons thoroughly, and this time pay attention to Sam and what he is doing, not Dean and how much time he’s spending on the screen. I bet there’s a lot you could learn about Sam just by watching Sam.
If you still can’t, then I think maybe you’re not watching the show for Sam, but for Jared. If that’s the case, then there’s not much that will convince you that Sam’s had a major role in all three seasons, and if I, a Dean fan, can tell you all about Sam, while you, a Sam fan, still don’t know anything about your favorite character, the fault doesn’t lie with the writers, or Kripke, but with your own viewing.
sunnygurl
Oct 6, 2008 at 8:01 am
Thanks for the “debate”! Gotta say..it was an amazin’ episode. Loved the twists and turns.. Mary being stuck in a loose loose situation. The like mother like sons moment with the “deal”. It rocked!
tina
Oct 6, 2008 at 8:18 am
Strangelove clearly a Dean fan through and through and thats ok , we have a brother we are more inclined towards . ayaou say you didnt want a non-existant Dean ?judging by what he has had that was hardly gong to happen.But why do you think therefore Sam fans want a non-existant Sam? what because in your eyes his less than? as I stated its equality , just treat the boys the same, focusing on their stories without the need to negate the other, it isnt necessary . I am pleased Dean now has a role in the mytharc but doesnt justify neglect of Sam. Now I do believe Sam will get the attention he deserves because he has a story too. I look forward to both boys storys unfolding but it has to be both otherwise it isnt a story about two brothers. Sam fans concerns are justified and I am sure you have had concerns and I wouldnt put your right to have them down.
Essie
Oct 6, 2008 at 8:20 am
I disagree that the revelation that Mary made a deal with the YED to start everything was just lazy writing. Yes, it repeats something we have seen before, but to repeat something like this doesn’t automatically mean that it is boring or pointless. It is more like hearing the same combination of notes repeated in a piece of music, but just in a different key or tempo. Mary’s deal fits in with a major theme of the show. Mary made a deal to save John, John made a deal to save Dean, Dean made a deal to save Sam, and Sam tried to make a deal to save Dean. This is how these demons on Supernatural work: they tempt people not with power or riches, but with a chance to save their loved ones, which makes it all the more heartbreaking when they give into the temptation, because as we have seen it only leads to more grief and pain and loss.
We all knew that Mary had a secret, and that it tied into what the YED did to Sam as a baby. I am very relieved that the secret didn’t turn out to be that Mary or Sam were born “special” in some way. Mary was not born with demon blood or psychic powers, and neither was Sam; thank goodness that the YED said straight out that he wasn’t going to be doing any “breeding”, so that we will be spared the scene where he tells Sam that he is his real father! (I know that some still believe that Sam was born with special powers, but I don’t see the show as telling us that; for one thing, it would be quite a coincidence if not only Mary, but her good friend Liddy who lived a few miles away, and the teenager on the farm nearby, and all the others the YED was making deals with in the area, all were destined to have babies possessing super psychic powers in ten years.)
I’m glad that it is the YED’s demon blood that is responsible for giving the psychic kids their powers. It kind of ties back into the original mystery of the show, as to why this all happened to the Winchester family to begin with. And I like the idea that it was not because the family had super special powers or were descended from a fallen angel, but because of a truly human trait, because they love each other so much that they are willing, often unwisely, to risk everything for those they love, and that the demons have learned to use this against them for their own purposes.
Bee
Oct 6, 2008 at 8:40 am
I thought it was well known at this point that Jared wasn’t in this episode because he was doing reshoots for Friday the 13th. So yes, damn that Kripke for working around one of his two main actors schedule! I’m so tired of this excuse that he hates Sam.
To me, Mary’s deal was representative of who she was - desperate to have a normal life, loving and young. She’s holding the man she loves dead, in her arms, she’s been told her mother and father are both dead and the demon who did it is staring her in the face. What is she supposed to do?
There also a massive irony with her deal. Yes, it’s been done but that’s the point. Every single Winchester has made a deal to save another because it’s been about family - the core point of this show.
Other then that, I’m not commenting anymore. You’re right to have an opinion, I just wish you weren’t so angry about it.
Claire
Oct 6, 2008 at 8:59 am
So, let me get this straight, Jen didn’t like the episode because Mary’s apology to Sam just wasn’t good enough, because it was “to be continued”, and she apparently doesn’t like Castiel’s relationship with Dean? [as an aside, Misha Collins is a keeper!] Yes, the show is about the brothers and this episode was “about” Sam at it’s heart. I thought Carver’s script was very good and the acting was wonderful, Ackles and Pileggi especially.
“Or does Eric simply have a little man crush on Jensen and want his show to be All About Jensen and his perfect little Tear?”
Ah, of course, the real story rears it’s ugly head … if the Sam fans can’t think of anything of substance to say, then just lay the blame on Jensen, right? I hate to break this to you, but Jensen isn’t on the show’s writing staff. He’s handed a script and he does his job. But I guess if Eric does have a crush on Jensen, well, I can’t blame him for that. ;)
And oh yeah, I’d watch Jensen cry that perfect little tear ANY TIME when he gives me the performance that he did in this episode. I do think that these first few episodes of this season have been so well received because the focus is on Dean’s story right now and because Ackles is such a strong and compelling actor that he can carry the bulk of the emotional weight in the brother’s storyline, which I felt he did wonderfully in this episode, even without Sam being there.
Cynthia: I guess I understand you giving the Sam fan the chance for a rebuttal, but really, the only reason these fans are up in arms is because this *was* such an excellent episode — sans Sam.
dilara
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:02 am
this fan needs to chill out. maybe it wasn’t the greatest episode of all but it wasn’t that bad, pal. I mean it wasn’t bad at all. Yes, no Sam was a bummer and some of the sticky parts of the plot line was a bit questionable, but have a heart.
And yes Mary was selfish to do the deal but haven’t we been through this in many episodes–Crossroad Blues as a starter? These deals are made out of human needs and feelings–that’s why even Dean apologized to Sam in season three, because these deals do leave the ones behind broken and hurt, but they are done anyways. An yes again that Mary might not have been the smartest of the bunch (she could have at least try for her parents to be a part of the deal) but she is after all a teenager. So it didn’t bug me that much.
Hey, just because we want Sam back doesn’t mean we need to cut Castiel out. Seriously, Jen lady, you need to back off. That scene between Castiel and Dean as they quietly stared at each other after Dean busting Mary smooch YED. Those expressions…priceless.
So yeah, it would not make my top five too but still, i don’t think it was that horrible. And I don’t think when a Supernatural episode sucks, it sucks terribly. I always thought the other way around, even though when a SN episode isn’t so amazing, it still has enough juice inside to be watched over and over again. That’s why I’m a fan.
Mel
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:02 am
I totally disagree except for the Mary deal thing. I mean yeah probably it was the easiest thing to do to just force Mary into making a deal and then have the demon coming for her child but still this episode HAD TO BE WRITTEN SOONER OR LATER!!! I mean all the fandom couldn’t wait to finally know why Mary knew Azazel the time he went after Sam… (so unless anyone was actually covering their eyes and really didn’t minding if Mary knew him then you all wanted to know!) this episode had to be written. Yeah, we got Dean and no Sam… yeah I’m not dancing in joy about that but this episode had to be like that! I mean could you imagine how would Azazel react if he saw Sam, one of his ‘chosen kids’ standing right there? he almost killed Dean can you imagine the risk of putting Sam there?… yeah he can exorcise demons with his mind now but does Dean know that? no! besides with all these mystery thing who knows how he would have reacted… face it NO ONE knows for sure what Sam is up to, so I say we trust Kripke who is the one actually writing the story and knows why he does things before we judge him.
Besides I really think there will be a Sam centered episode soon, with all of the secrets and escapes with Ruby we’ll need some explanations too. Don’t be to eager into jumping into conclusions if we really don’t know what’s coming ahead.
Ali
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:22 am
“I wouldnt put your right to have them down.”
Ahhh, is THAT what you were doing, markie, all those years you called us EDGs? That was your special way of respecting our opinions?
Lonnie
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:55 am
Yeah ITB isn’t among my favorite episodes, but its far from the worse, like Bugs and Route 666. It’s a good episode, but for ME it was ruined a bit with the lack of Sam. I just want to see Sam’s reaction to all this and now his reaction when/if Dean tells him. It’s not the same. I’m also sick of Dean being the one to reunite with his parents one way or another. Sam had like two words with Mary in Home and WIAWSNB wasn’t even real. It feels like Sam is being kicked out of the Winchester family tree, and I’ve felt that a while now.
But I have to agree that it’s WAY too early to complain too much about the season in general. We’ve seen three episodes.
Joe
Oct 6, 2008 at 11:40 am
Please, the whole point of this episode was to generate Dean angst. The idea that this is the episode that changes everything was crap. We are back into secret mode like season 2. We get to watch Dean and his deep man pain again. Like that has not been done to death. However, this is to be expected since the show should be renamed the Dean Show.
~ Mousitsa ~
Oct 6, 2008 at 12:17 pm
If there is one thing I respect more than anything, is someone who obviously follows the show taking the time to logically present an opposing argument… even if that argument presents ideas and opinions that are VERY opposite not only to my own opinions but apparently the majority of the fandom. This is exactly what you have done Jen. A rebuttal to the overwhelming 4.03 love in an articulate manner. Do I agree with your viewpoint? Not by a longshot! “In the Beginning” was not only pivotal, but a darn-near masterpiece in presentation!!
I’m at least glad that you recognized the excellent acting contributions of Ackles & Pileggi here, as well as the great job done by the newcomers cast as John and Mary (and really, the entire cast in this one). But the travesty here is comparing “In the Beginning” to those episodes that truly belong at the bottom of the list. I agree with you on why “Bugs” and “Route 666” belong there. And “No Exit” belongs there because it pulled a major faux pas… elevating the importance of a secondary character at the expense of a primary character, which at the time was done to showcase the awesomeness of hunter-girl-potential-girlfriend Jo. But there were no shades of “No Exit” for 4.03, no elevation of a secondary character, no love interest that needed to be pushed, just excellent story-telling.
Yes, I missed Jared’s presence just like everyone else. But the lack of Sam was necessary to make this story work. Sam may have been physically absent, but Sam was present. It is the lack of Jared that has the fangirls grumbling and, in response, hating on the episode, unable to get past the fact that there was no Jared to drool over in this one. Because even though there was no Jared there, there was plenty revealed in connection to Sam.
I tend to not be a fan of time-traveling episodes because they almost always manage to mess up with the paradoxes presented between the past-present-future continuum, leaving gaping plot holes in the process. 4.03 succeeded in tying everything together beautifully and logically within the SN canon. Kripke may not have penned this most pivotal episode, but you can bet he was looking over Jeremy’s shoulder every step of the way.
To those who say they’ve read the spoilers and don’t see much Sam coming up I need to say… really? then check again… you must be reading spoilers for another show! And I am absolutely sick & tired of this fandom turning everything into Sam vs. Dean… Samgirls vs. Deangirls… with no regard to the bigger picture and the focus remaining on THE BROTHERS, which is the heart and soul of SN.
Therefore, I vehemently disagree with your viewpoint Jen. But then again, “No Exit” and “Route 666” had its fans too. And your argument loses major points in credibility by comparing 4.03 to those episodes.
carebear
Oct 6, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I loved it. It was fantastic. And everyone else I”ve talked to in my little fandom cliques online loved it too, even the Sam girls. But, everyone has their own tastes and some like certain episodes that others hate and vice versa. It’s all good. I myself, have never met a Supernatural episode I didn’t like, which is the ONLY one of my shows I can say that about.
Kelly
Oct 6, 2008 at 12:31 pm
While I don’t entirely agree with Miss Jen, I don’t entirely disagree either. The lack of Sam in this episode IN PARTICULAR rankles, because honestly, when is a character *not* included in his own “payoff”? Not to bring another show into it, but even Joss *involved* Dawn in her “payoff”–finding out that she was the Key–and I just can’t wrap my mind around why Sam was excluded from this!
Making Mary a hunter was not the twist I saw coming; in a way, I cynically think it was written that way to give Dean something to angst about; he and his brother became the one thing that Mary didn’t want them to become.
Having John there and seeing Mary’s father drop dead? Or at least, be lying dead on the ground when he “wakes up” or whatever? That really makes me wonder what kind of marriage they actually had, considering Mary obviously did not tell him the truth (and neither did anyone else in the Campbell family?) about how her father died; how would you feel thinking you were (possibly) responsible for the death of your father in law!?
Where was this uncle? In… Children Shouldn’t Play With Dead Things, I think it was, Dean tells Sam that their mother’s headstone was put up by an uncle they didn’t know/never met, and yet, there was no uncle.
I do think making Mary a hunter took away a *lot* from the mythology, because it really makes everything that Dean and Sam and John have gone through on her behalf really… pointless. She did it of her own free will, but it also essentially makes useless the whole John-going-to-Missouri-to-learn-the-truth that they brought up in Home.
I feel like this episode was… while not one of the worst, not one of the best, and definitely an attempt to reboot/rewrite the past three years’ mythology so that new viewers can catch up.
Donna
Oct 6, 2008 at 12:41 pm
[quote]They are the same six sockpuppets who have popped up on every Supernatural board with the same repetitive arguments. [/quote]
So repetative acceptance is different or better than repetative rejection?
I’m happy we got answers, but they were predictable and the method they were delivered left a lot to be desired IMO.
There are more that six sock puppets with the same opinion I think, they’re just not willing to brave the derision to express them.
~ Mousitsa ~
Oct 6, 2008 at 1:23 pm
What someone labels as “predictable”, I label as “consistent” in terms of the story and canon already presented. The reveals in 4.03 may have been “predictable”, but only after the fact. There were so many possible ways to go beforehand: Mary as a special kid of her generation, Mary making a deal for the health of her child(ren), John from a family of hunters, Mary as a witch, and the list go on and on from the speculation that has taken place these past two years. So I would hardly call the episode “predictable.”
Juliana
Oct 6, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Oh wow……you have GOT to be kidding me!! Supernatural is probably the biggest obsession i’ve ever had in my life, but even I can realize when things get ridiculous and this kind of discussion is CERTAINLY getting more than a little out of proportion
Donna
Oct 6, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I used the word “predictable” because I guessed Mary’s family were hunters months ago. Maybe it was just the letdown of already knowing that’s where this was going, and knowing nothing was going to change with the revellation. It could have all been revealled with hidden pages in John’s journal, or Mary’s journals in his storage locker.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved some parts of it, (the acting by all involved) and not others (yet another deal).
At any rate I’m glad Cynthia has allowed someone with a different viewpoint to make themselves heard. It’s risky to do that within this fandom.
Bluaaaa
Oct 6, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I agree with most of what Jen says and it has more to do with the”BIG REVILE”then the lack of Sam…which i hated.We cant all like the same episode and like Jen i thought the ball was dropped…i don’t think it was worse then No Exit but it wasn’t one of the best either.
Ivy
Oct 6, 2008 at 2:53 pm
I’m a Sam girl. Now I liked the episode, I liked the reveal, I like learning more about Mary and her family and I LOVED the guest actors- especially Mitch! But I was slightly miffed by the lack of Sam. Yes a lot of it was ABOUT Sam, but Sam wasn’t there to react or have any sort of character development.
I’m liking the season so far, but what I really didn’t like was an episode where Sam wasn’t in the first 20 mins. and now an episode where he’s in for 40 secs. As long as this isn’t an indication of what’s to come, I can live with it, because I understand that a big part of this season is bringing Dean into the mytharc and I’m fine with that. I WANT Dean to be a part of it- but I want both brothers to have equal mytharc and character development.
I’d also love for Sam to be included one day in these family situations. Dean got to meet the family this episode, he spent time with ‘Mary’ in WIaWSNB, got to have two goodbyes from John (IMToD, AHBL2) and a phone call. Not to mention how close he is with Bobby. I really feel like other than Dean, Sam isn’t and was never close to anyone and after season 1 his daddy issues just vanished into thin air. I think it would have been cool to have him meet Mary for more than a second, considering he never really got to know her at all.
Again, I’m a Sam girl, so I’m bound to be slightly biased like everyone else. As long as the show keeps being about THE BROTHERS, as long as they’re both equally important and equally developped, instead of one or the other becoming plot points, then I’m happy.
jade
Oct 6, 2008 at 3:19 pm
While I don’t agree with Jen’s sentiments on Jeremy Carver’s writing (he has become my favorite - certainly more than Ben Edlund or even Eric Kripke himself), I do agree with the rest of her review.
No Sam in the backstory of all backstories? No Sam in the episode that explains his whole life? Shame on you Eric Kripke. Shame on you.
I also want to say that I agree with Shelby02’s statment that “…Supernatural has moved from a show about two brothers hunting things and saving people to a show about one brother (Dean) and his journey to save his younger brother.”
Please Kripke, bring back the brother’s story. Bring back the show we fell in love with.
Michelle
Oct 6, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I thought this story was necessary in the over-all picture. I think it’s important to see where Mary was coming from, why she did what she did, and know that she wasn’t some angel on a pedestal as Dean had previously viewed her. She was so much like Sam was for the first few seasons, and it’s an interesting parallel given the fact that she basically sacrificed him.
Don’t forget people, without her choice that night, No Dean, No Sam.
Duh!
I loved the episode personally. I thought it was brilliant and necessary. And even though I adore Sam and he was barely in it, I think it’s showing the progression Dean is making towards having to finally put his foot down to Sammy (whereas before he couldn’t/wouldn’t). He’ll be able to now.
Great ep.
Kelly
Oct 6, 2008 at 7:12 pm
“… think it’s showing the progression Dean is making towards having to finally put his foot down to Sammy (whereas before he couldn’t/wouldn’t). He’ll be able to now.”
Why does he need to be able to? I mean, I certainly understand the whole possibily of Sam being evil, but I don’t understand how Dean angsting over his mother and angsting over the deal she made and angsting over the lost grandparents and angsting over this and angsting over that and giving off the One Silver Tear Of Everythingness is really making a whit of difference one way or the other about Dean being able to stand up to Sam.
Maybe if we, oh, I don’t know, saw a little more of what Sam is doing or what Sam is feeling, I might actually be inclined to CARE if Dean can handle it, but right now, it’s all a tempest in a teapot.
Malantmage
Oct 6, 2008 at 7:21 pm
“It was aimless, plotless, and then at the end they slapped a big fat “to be continued” on it. To be continued when? Why not just label it “Oops, we didn’t feel like writing an ending for this one so we’re taking the easy way out”? So next week we get tossed an average monster of the week episode, which appears to have nothing to do with this episode we just sat through. When do we get answers?”
Uh right at the the beginning of this coming Thursday’s episode if I’m not mistaken. That’s what Kripke said in his little video blurb about this episode over on Youtube.
According to Kripke, Sam and Dean have a confrontation that is a direct result of Castiel’s last statement to Dean at the end of In the Beginning.
DeanieGirl
Oct 6, 2008 at 7:48 pm
What a surprise, now the Sam fans are attacking Castiel. My gosh you people are transparent.
All this bile directed at Kripke and yet I suspect the reason this episode was Sam lite was because of his own commitments to things other than Supernatural. Not that I think there is anything wrong with that, except it’s his fans who are being so small minded. I wonder, will you all eat crow when and if there is confirmation that Jared is the reason there was so little Sam in this episode?
Malantmage
Oct 6, 2008 at 8:10 pm
You don’t necessarilly have to see a character for the storyline to be about them. This episode was all about Sam as has been the first two episodes of Season 4.
Dean wasn’t pulled out of hell for anything to do with him personally. He was pulled out of hell because there was work for him to do to get through to Sam. Once more Dean’s storyline is ALL about Sam, about protecting him, about having a job to do that involves being responsible for Sam.
For me the bottom line is Dean just traded one ‘father figure’ for another as making him their blunt little instrument and making him responsible for Sam’s actions.
There is and was, as far as we have seen, no other reason that Dean was brought back from hell other than he is someone that Sam might listen to or might be able to stand Sam’s way long enough for Sam to be reasoned with. And that is sad because what it is saying is Dean is not userful as a person for any other thing but to focus on Sam.
I mean it makes for intriguing storyline and I loved the dynamic that it had when the series first began, but it’s really just a rehash of Dean’s secondary storyline of the first two seasons. Dean is still only there as a someone that is driven to react to the things happening to Sam or is under the threat of having something terrible happen to Sam if Dean doesn’t take care of him. Dean is still the one who is having the same old pressures put on him to sacrifice his own individuality for the greater good of saving/protecting Sam. It’s the same storyline Dean has had since episode one of season one.
Sam is really the one with the fresh, ongoing and evolving storyline for his character and I think that says a lot about how the writers see Sam and that they intend him to be the showcase character of the series.
bgeesfan
Oct 6, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I thought this episode was fantastic and, so that everyone knows…I saw an interview with Kripke in which he introduces this week’s episode. He says in that introduction that this week’s episode is, in fact, the continuation of last week’s episode. There are also some early pictures from 4.04 that confirm it. No, it’ s not being labeled the way AHBL 1 and 2 were, but it is the continuation. In fact, if you think about the episode’s title as a double entendre, it could mean not only for the character they are trying to save but for Sam, too. He certainly isn’t the same person he was before 3.16. (I see the HellHound scene when he was able to stop Lilith from killing him as the beginning of his new found powers)
I, personally, like the twists this show uses to keep us guessing. Who’d have ever thought Mary a hunter? How about the fact that Mary sealed the deal in exactly the same way Dean did to save Sam? How about the fact that this episode took place between 4/30 and 5/2 1973. Was Sam not born 5/2/1983?? Meaning that Azazel gave her 10 years and 6 months. I thought this episode was terrific, as has every single episode thus far in Season 4.
Now…please, please, PLEASE, no SAG strike!!!!!!
bgeesfan
Kelly
Oct 6, 2008 at 9:14 pm
“There is and was, as far as we have seen, no other reason that Dean was brought back from hell other than he is someone that Sam might listen to or might be able to stand Sam’s way long enough for Sam to be reasoned with.”
I’d like to refer you back to Season 1, epsiode named “Faith.” Dean asks why he was the one LeGrange healed, and LeGrange says that he looked into Dean’s heart and saw that there was work for Dean to do, and it wasn’t done yet.
I’d like to refer you to a season 2 episode, “Houses of the Holy” in which it’s very heavily implied, if not flat out told, that Dean and Sam are by definition angels, because when Sam and Dean are talking to the priest, they see the icon of St. Michael the Archangel, and St. Michael is described as a warrior for good against evil–kind of like the Winchesters are.
So, yes, actually, there are reasons unrelated to Sam specifically that Dean is brought back time and again, and Castiel points out that “God has work for you”, not “God intends for you to manage your little brother.” Is it heading that way? Sure it is.
I’d like to also refer you to “What Is And What Should Never Be” in which we find out that all the people Dean and Sam saved, died when he wasn’t a hunter. Ditto the same message Castiel told him, “if you change the future all of people you saved… will die.”
Think the fact that Dean’s pretty good at kicking demonic ass–moreso than any other hunter, considering by those two examples, nobody else took Dean and Sam’s cases–has anything to do with why Dean was chosen?
So far, the only thing Castiel has said about Sam is, he’s going down a dark path, and stop him before we kill him.
So, sorry. This is still as much (if not more) about Dean than it is about Sam, evidenced by the fact that DEAN IS ALL WE’VE SEEN FOR THREE FREAKING EPISODES.
Ali
Oct 6, 2008 at 9:22 pm
I know you’re actually whining about it, Kelly, but I’m hoping and praying that you’re right. I pretty much couldn’t take it if the sole reason Dean was pulled from Hell was because his brother is so uber-speshul. I have to believe someone gives a crap about him for himself, rather than because of who his brother is. He seriously deserves it, after THREE FREAKING YEARS.
Jim
Oct 6, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Sam has clearly been downgraded in the series. Little in episode one, third to Bobby in two, and given a clip in three as if someone wanted to be able to say: “We did have him appear in the episode.” In the promos for 4, Sam appears once. Padalecki has been downgraded even more than the character Sam. Discussion of Sam dominated episode 3, but no Padalecki. Some of you reporters or bloggers need to find out why. Either there is a good reason or Padalecki is being treated terribly. I like the Dean character, but I bought into a brother act, not the Dean show, and I hate seeing one of the actors who made this show such a favorite of many treated so badly.
SUSANA
Oct 6, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I like the show. But I think, that, “jen” is exaggerating so much, in that part when she said that is worse than “bugs” “route 66″ and “no exit” I like route 66 and the racist truck I liked it. at the end, it´s superantural. anyway, “bugs” I didn´t find it, bad, just that part of the bees, that was unbelievable. because, it started at 12.00 and in just 2 minutes it´s 6.00??? come on! but, I think, Jen looks in here like a girl who wants destroy a simple episode, and said the worst of it. Supernatural is not a perfect show, even the writers, but treat like jen did, it is not right. Just, she looked like a freaking girl saying her thoughts, but.. that´s all, each person have their thought that´s right, but, compare this episode with the others???? what they want to show is TOTALLY different!. Here, you can know why Mary say “so sorry” how the gran parents died, we learn that finally Dean know what Sam almost knew in one episode, about that mary knew YED. we learn some stuff, I can´t find why jen, said that is plot less, from where? and that part from the when we will have the next part.. well, to some people it´s not good, and for others, it´s just it´s keeping in your sit to wait for it. just it´s a game with your mind, or can be try to catch the viewers in their hand, how knows, but, all those thing depend of the people, but, you , jenn sounds like you just wanted to… ¡ hacer pedazos el episodio por que se vino en gana! No por que fueras la gran cosa haciendo estas cosas!
Em
Oct 6, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Most of those examples are lines. A line in an episode here, a line there. The only reason most people even know about the Michael thing is because Sera talked about in an interview, it was nothing more than a line about who Michael was and what he did. Sam’s had the whole mytharc all to himself for 3 years.
Right now we have no evidence that Dean’s “job” is anything more than what it’s been in the past - all.about.Sam. He’s brought out of Hell because the Superest, Specialist, Most Awesome Sammy just might make some bad choices to lead him down the wrong path. Sam seems to be important to the “endgame” and Dean’s got an “in”.
I don’t remember God tossing anyone in Dean’s path, or dragging Dad out of Hell to stop Dean from throwing his life away and selling his soul to eternal torment. Nah Dean could go to Hell for all the rest of the universe cared.
But Sam? Hey they send an angel down there to get Dean out of Hell to tell him he needs to try and get Sam back on the straight and narrow and see if he can find out anything, being as he’s Azazel’s last psychic standing’s brother, about the end game.
As of right now all we know is that Dean was “saved” because of who he knows, not who he is - not because of a lifetime of self-sacrifice or saving people’s lives. Who he knows is SAM.
That’s Dean’s “job” is anything else at this point is little more than wishful thinking.
Deeds
Oct 6, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Three episodes in and all heck is breaking loose.
If you guys were know-it-alls you’d be the writers of the series, so relax and enjoy the show instead of criticize just because Sam isn’t on your screen for more than a minute.
Brother vs. brother on the screen? Or in these messge boards? Because it seems to me most of the violence is amongst the disgruntled fans.
There’s a whole lot of other shows on Thursdays you can watch if this is so stressful and disappointing to you. Let the Magnificent Bastard tell his story already.
Can’t wait for next week’s episode.
SUSANA
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Did Jared have something he had to do that week and so was written out? Or does Eric simply have a little man crush on Jensen and want his show to be All About Jensen and his perfect little Tear?
AGREEE AGREEE AGREEEE WHY!!!!!!
Kristi
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:08 pm
“DEAN IS ALL WE’VE SEEN FOR THREE FREAKING EPISODES.”
I guess you’re right? Huh. Maybe that’s why this season is so freaking brilliant so far? Lately, I sort of feel like I have to apologize for this because of some Sam (only?) fans … but I LOVE Dean!! He’s such an awesome and fascinating character and he’s really the reason I watch this show.
I like Sam too, but I didn’t miss him in this episode because it was so good. I totally cried in that scene where Mary told Dean she didn’t want her kids to have to grow up in this life. Jensen did such a fantastic job in this ep. Wow.
Oh, I like Castiel too. He and Dean have an interesting and intense dynamic. I hope he sticks around for awhile. Dean can learn from Castiel and maybe Castiel can learn from Dean too. Also, Dean needs someone to hang out with while Sam is sneaking off with his demon. I think it will be fun to see Sam go darkside though.
From what I can tell, this is the first season that the show isn’t only about Sam’s potential evil destiny as far as the over-reaching mythology. It’s now also about Dean’s destiny (yay!). I hope Dean’s destiny is HIS own, just like Sam’s is his own. But then they’ll meet and the brother’s will have to work that out.
I think Kripke is doing a great job this season. I’m so glad the ratings reflect this too!
Deeds
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Dean coming back from Hell is not something you can explain in passing. And I bet you anything that SAM’s still the central storyline. I don’t think he’s being treated badly, or unhappy.
People are reading too much into this three eps in.
Shelby02
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Doesn’t anyone think that being raised from hell by an angel of the Lord in order to save the world from Satan is important? Does the fact that Satan may be in some way released or led by Sam really negate the value of Dean’s role?
You People make my head hurt
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:28 pm
What a surprise, now the Sam fans are attacking Castiel. My gosh you people are transparent.
No it is not all Sam!fans. I am a Sam!fan, and I love the addition of Castiel. I love the brothers together, but people seem to miss the point that this can’t be the same way they did the first three seasons. We only have one more season after this, and it can’t just end with no progression to the storyline whatsoever.
I love Castiel, and definitely think Misha Collins is a keeper. I loved this episode and whole heartily think SFuniverse is the place where demons live. I have never seen this type of overwhelming stupidity and hate before. It’s not only ridiculous but massively embarrassing.
So spoiled
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:28 pm
I didn’t miss Sam at all. Sorry, but I just didn’t.
Mary
Oct 6, 2008 at 10:34 pm
*sigh* This is getting so old. I’m a Sam!Fan, but even I loved this episode. Honestly, I don’t want it to be two brothers on the road every season. Because, you know, I enjoy the plot-line. Which some people just seem to feel the need to get in a hissy-fit when one brother is missing. And I love Castiel. Less Castiel my ass. They need to grip Misha Collins tight and hold on to him.
Jim
Oct 6, 2008 at 11:02 pm
There are two issues here: the character Sam and the actor Padalecki.
The Sam character has not disappeared from the show; indeed, he is stlll there, but in a diminished role in which he is more talked about than seen. It seems the writers want Sam but not Padalecki.
As a result, Padalecki has had his screen time severely cut back. It just doesn’t seem very loyal to one of the two actors who made this show work to shunt him aside like that–it has nothing to do with liking or disliking either actor.
There could be a good reason for this, but it has not been forthcoming.
Deborah
Oct 6, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Jim, as others have already stated, Jared was written out of this episode to accommodate his commitment to do reshoots for “Friday the 13th” - so he was not being treated badly.
Can’t we all just relax and enjoy this wonderful series? Supernatural is the story of the Winchester Brothers. Don’t ever make me choose which brother I love more. Neither character would be the same without the other.
I have a feeling this week’s episode is going to be a great payoff to ITB - I just hope that Dean tells Sam all about what happened — soon.
Josie
Oct 6, 2008 at 11:55 pm
First of all, is there any source that confirms the F13 reshoot rumor? I have seen nothing, and honestly, even if he did do reshoots, I honestly believe given the way they conceived this ep that Sam was never supposed to have a major role. Kripke seems to be making a purposeful choice here to give us DEANDEANDEAN at the beginning of this season and Sam’s diminished role in this first three eps is pretty clear on that.
Second of all, there’s disagreeing with an opinion and there’s being rude. I’m pretty sure we’re all allowed to have our opinions and expressing them doesn’t make us bad people. I’m allowed to say that I didn’t like WIAWSN or that I like Sam better than Dean. I realize that will invalidate anything else I say for most people, but it doesn’t make me WRONG.
Third, what I don’t understand is why people are so afraid for Dean’s character. I get that the show, in a sense, is “all about Sam.” Because, okay, the plot points do revolve around Sam and this destiny of his. But there’s a difference between a plot and a story. Sam may be part of the plot, but Dean is the heart of this story.
And honestly, I wish I was a Dean fan, because this role of a big brother just trying to do the best he can with a really messed up family is REALLY meaty stuff. It’s far more compelling and human than Sam’s whole powers and evil thing he has going on. We’ve seen so much for Dean and the show has fully dealt with his daddy issues, his mommy issues, his desire for family and stability, his fears of failure, his inner frustrations and anger–everything. Now even his faith is being challenged. In essence, this show exists to explore Dean’s issues. Sam’s side plot is truly just a vehicle for that to happen.
I just really would like them to humanize Sam’s story sometime soon. His storylines keep getting pushed to the side and it’s getting almost too late to make him a redeemable and truly real character, which is a crime.
I tuned into a show about two brothers learning how to relate to each other. What I have no is one brother figuring out his life and saving the other on the side. Right now, Sam has no entry point for the audience to engage in. Purposefully so perhaps, but as a Sam fan, I do feel rather betrayed.
This WAS a show about brothers. I’m not sure I see it anymore. We did get answers in this ep and this ep was again “all about Sam” in a sense, which only goes to prove it can be about Sam in a plot kind of way, but the story being told is and always will be Dean’s.
Kelly
Oct 6, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Ali–
“I know you’re actually whining about it, Kelly, but I’m hoping and praying that you’re right.”
I’m hoping I’m right, too. I know that’s a terrible thing for me to say, but I want Dean to have something that’s all his own, because I like Dean!! But I don’t want Dean’s story to come at the expense of Sam’s. (Or Sam’s to come at the expense of Dean’s, but that hasn’t been a problem so far, at least that I can see.)
Julie
Oct 7, 2008 at 12:31 am
Wow.. just .. wow
I stayed away from message boards after SGA went all wierd on me after season 3. Found I enjoyed the show much more since.
Then, American Idol produced two good singers and to hear the David’s talk, they’re nice guys who admire and respect one another and are appreciative of their fans. But the camps remained entrenched and the haters surfaced and animosity is the order of the day.
Guess I remained blissfully unaware of this argument - the shows all about Dean, no the shows all about Sam, blah blah blah…
You all know what? Jared and Jensen have a heck of a lot of respect and love for one another and their fans than apparently their fans do for one another.
Lets start a new semantic, shall we? Lets stop calling ourselves Deangirls and Samgirls and start calling ourselves WINCHESTERGIRLS! Or, hows about SUPERNATURAL GIRLS!
See, what attracted me from the pilot and going forward was not Sam and not Dean, though I grew partial to one, I’m ass-over-tee-kettle in love with them both, and the story surrounding their journey.
Lets ban together and be fans of the show!
Ok, so if it’s no longer your show, clock out, hung up, walk away. Dear GOD, don’t waste so much time doing this kind of garbage.
Out of respect for both Jared and Jensen, take a step back, take a breath and relax. If it’s no longer a great show by your estimation, why are you even still here?
Obviously something is keeping your here, but let that be the Winchesters and the story surrounding them.
Yes, season 1 and 2 felt more like the story was about Sam but I was cool with that coz Sam IS A WINCHESTER! Season 3, more about Dean but OK! DEAN IS A WINCHESTER.
If you’ve ever met these two guys, they are two of the most unassuming, kind, generous, giving, adorable and just all-round great guys!
Lets show them we can be great fans of one another because we are WINCHESTER & SUPERNATURAL FANS!
And this is probably my last post here. I stayed away for a long while and have found my happy place. No room for clutter in my happy place, coz my happy place is full of Winchester hottness and Supernatural greatness.
Barbara
Oct 7, 2008 at 12:40 am
I agree with you on many points. The lack of Sam was particularly disturbing. After waiting 3 years to find out about his unresolved mytharc, we have to establish a new mytharc all about Dean. In fact, Supernatural is fast becoming the Dean Show. I love Dean; love Jensen Ackles, but more than that, I love the brother dynamic. And it would be nice to see Sam’s pov for a change.
The deus ex machina devices (demon deals, angels, Ruby, etc.) are getting really old. Supernatural is still the best show on TV, but I remember when it could surprise its viewers. I’m hoping this season will feature more, not less, of Sam.
*bright73
Oct 7, 2008 at 4:21 am
[i]In the promos for 4, Sam appears once. Padalecki has been downgraded even more than the character Sam. Discussion of Sam dominated episode 3, but no Padalecki. Some of you reporters or bloggers need to find out why. Either there is a good reason or Padalecki is being treated terribly.[/i]
ITA- someone needs to ask Kripke why he’s totally lost interest in Sam because by now I’ve totally lost interest in Dean and his angst.
I need to know if there’s a reason for this shift and if it’s permanent. because if I see another single ‘perfect’ tear and self-esteem issues, I am so gone. Over-exposing one of the characters making his too ‘lovable’ and victimized is not doing it for me. because the one that is victimized is Dean.
And with the rate of Dean-centric eps in the spoilers, looks like there won’t be any SPN watching for me in a long while.
Krista
Oct 7, 2008 at 6:22 am
Dude! Granted, you do have some valid points, but might you be overreacting just a slight bit? NOTHING can be worse than Route 666, Bugs, and No Exit. This ep rocked.
And I’m so sick and tired of you people who whine and moan, threaten to stop watching the show if *something* happens. WELL, shut up and stop watching already! Either way, why do you think we care!
shelby02
Oct 7, 2008 at 6:44 am
Josie-I agree completely with every point of your comment. Very well said…thank you!
With all the buzz about our show in the last few weeks, we have hopefully garnered some new viewers. Those new viewers probably don’t even realize that the show is supposedly about Sam and Dean. I am sure they think it is from Dean’s perspective given the first three episodes. The brother’s bond which in my opinion has always been the heart of this show is thus far non-existent.
As a matter of fact, if I was new to this show I probably wouldn’t even like Sam very much. As a fan of both brothers but as one who is admittedly much more emotionally connected to Sam, that really breaks my heart. The show has done nothing to convey how much Sam loves his brother or how devestated he was when he died. Whatever choices Sam’s character has made this season behind the scenes, those two FACTS have not or should not have changed. Waiting until mid-season to reveal Sam’s pain and love for his brother is ridiculous and Sam fans have every right to be upset.
strangelove
Oct 7, 2008 at 8:25 am
Tina: “as I stated its equality , just treat the boys the same, focusing on their stories without the need to negate the other, it isnt necessary .”
Tina, this is the very first time in 3 years where Dean might, just MIGHT have some importance that’s about Dean himself, not Sam. So for us Dean fans, it’s a big deal. We’ve had the SuperSpecialSam SuperHero SuperPowered show for the past three years.
Every year Sam was made more special than the year before, up to the point where I was wondering if Sam was God, he was such a special person. And Dean? Well, he was Sam’s brother, that should be enough for us Dean girls. After all, what better honor than to be the brother of the most special person in the whole wide world, heaven and hell and all in between? We Dean girls should be happy that Dean was included to walk around such a special person.
Now, for the first time, BOTH BROTHERS are equally important, and the Sam fans bitch, once again because 3 episodes, it’s been about Dean and not about Super Special Super Duper All Important SAM.
Tough. For those of you who claim to be about both brothers, does it matter which one gets screentime? Knowing that eventually the other will also get screentime does it matter? Or does it matter only if Sam is the one that’s not on. Because if Dean was missing, all these fans claiming to be about both brothers wouldn’t be bitching, they’d be happily cheering about their Very Special Sam story.
Dean’