This article is great in that it allowed us to hear from an excellent director and producer, whom I admire very much. His confirmation that it was actually Ruby in the hotel room tells us nothing more than that. It is everything ELSE added together that makes us suspect of a sexual relationship: seeing Ruby in underwear in 4.01, the things Meg told Sam in 4.02, the implication made by the demon at the start of 4.04…. add all THAT to Jared’s comment and the conclusion is Sam+Ruby+sex=eww!

There is a huge difference between taking a character down a dark path, and making that character unreedemable due to those actions. Kripke & Co are way too smart to put a dark cloud such as this on an otherwise phenomenal season so far.

Honestly, I think this is all just one big publicity stunt along the lines of the dreaded “love interests”. Nothing gets the forums “buzz”ing faster than mentioning a LI on SN. Fine, it worked, everyone is buzzing. Now it’s time to come clean about it, remove this dark cloud, and get back to enjoying this fantastic season.

The point is, at least to me, we have physically SEEN Dean do that to demon-possessed women, whether he was “forced” to do it by Lust (and no, I’m not arguing that he was) or the Crossroads Demon (he actually initiated the second kiss when he brought Sam back, so that would make him the so-called “aggressor” to a possessed body) and all we have here is the merest HINT that Sam might’ve. And I do say hint, because how many times have Jared and Jensen both said they *don’t* know what’s coming up, they only get like, one script in advance because of their schedules? So I imagine anything Jared said, he’s doing exactly what we are, GOING ON ASSUMPTIONS, because he doesn’t know that much more than we do. However, we have the Head Man On Campus here, telling us that “She was playing a part because she didn’t want Dean to know.” So, let me get this straight–she was PLAYING THE PART OF SAM’S GIRLFRIEND/X-NIGHT-STAND SO DEAN WOULDN’T KNOW SAM WAS WORKING WITH RUBY. I don’t know, knowing the way Dean’s mind works, I’d say it was pretty frickin’ successful, seeing as how he didn’t even have a clue until Castiel the Deus Ex Machina showed up and TOLD HIM. Since we’re taking Castiel’s word as the absolute gospel here, let me point out that Castiel didn’t mention Sam and Ruby getting nasty between the sheets. Just that they were working together and going down a dark path. So everybody kinda needs to get their panties out of a twist.

I don’t understand your point there, but I do agree with you wholeheartedly on the fan-fiction issues of Dean & Castiel, however, this is not livejournal, and this article is about an actual episode, not fanfic. Well, technically, it’s not even about an episode, it’s about Singer’s brilliant directorial skills, which I think we all forgot in our haste to follow our delightful tendencies to jump down each others’ throats.

You’re right, it is just a show, and we all have different opinions, but if you’re going to argue a point with someone, a little bit of research is a good idea.

As for the Sam/Kristy/Ruby issue: I have absolutely no problem with Sam turning to some female companionship in those awful 4 months. Just because he may have been getting a little sex doesn’t mean he was grieving any less or that he stopped thinking of ways to save his brother. I’m perfectly OK with Sam meeting a regular, home-town waitress (which is what the sides described Kristy to be — unless it was a smokescreen since so much in the initial sides had misinformation). If Kristy was just a human girl who took a liking to him and WILLINGLY participated in relations… great! More power to them… as long as Kristy was human and able to consent of her own free will.

Perhaps Ruby took advantage of this relationship by possessing Kristy. Perhaps Kristy was injured and Ruby is the only thing keeping the body alive. Perhaps it’s really Lilith pretending to be Ruby possessing Kristy. Either way, the second that Kristy became Ruby, and lost control of her body and the ability to consent, any further sex became rape. And no amount of creative storytelling can brush that under the table. Kripke & Co went to great trouble to establish that the human inside is aware of what is happening but unable to control their body (Meg in Devils Trap, Sam in BUBS)… and now there’s hints that all that will be destroyed? including Sam’s basic character built over these past 3 years? I truly hope that Show never goes there in terms of the Winchesters. This is too serious an issue to treat lightly.

Let’s not make this another childish Jared vs. Jensen thing, please. It’s ignorant’

I totally agree with about this point . Dean without Sammy doesn’t walk straight as Sammy without Dean walk straight either . He proved it during this summer alone . The show is about two brothers , not only Dean !

If I’m more a Dean’s girl , I appreciate Sam a lot . And I want to see him as much as I want to see Dean . It’s their relationship that makes the show so great . It’s sad to see that some fans are going to take a side , when there’s none !

Jared & Jensen surely don’t think like this . And for Ruby & Sammy , well , we do not know everything , keep an open mind , when everything will be revealed you’ll make up your mind . I decided not to have a definite opinion on the subject .

I read that, and picked it apart, and spent a bit irritated with Jared’s comment, as well. And now I’m thinking that it was taken out of context, or Jared was being his usual self, and just talking without really thinking, and meant no harm with his comment.

If anything, it’s the interviewer over there I have the problem with, not Jared.

And there are many ways that the Ruby/Sam thing could have gone down, IF it went down at all. She and Sam could have met, had a fling, and THEN Ruby could have come along and possessed her. Maybe she (the host) was hurt, or dying, and Ruby possessed her, prolonging her life, just because that’s Ruby’s sick sense of humor at play.

But I absolutely don’t think that Jared would be so complacent or flippant with his replies if he’d really thought about it.

Cutting all ties with Jared or the character of Sam over a few unsubstantiated rumors is a bit over the top, though, isn’t it? Give it a chance, see what happens. They haven’t let us down, yet, and after three excellent seasons, I think you’re being a bit hasty with your condemnation.

As for your comment here:

“I think as the first few episodes of this season have proved, Jensen can carry the show virtually by himself without any problem.”

I don’t have anything to say to that other than, no, he couldn’t, because DEAN couldn’t. There is no Dean without Sam. And though some might argue that Sam can function without Dean, the point of this show is that they CANNOT function well without each other.

Let’s not make this another childish Jared vs. Jensen thing, please. It’s ignorant.

Ruby wouldn’t have possessed a willing body.
If Sam has sex with Ruby?
Woman to whom demon possesses it. It is a tragedy for her.
It will not be sex with the agreeing partner.
It would be tantamount to rape.
Not only that, but the body could be dead.
It would be tantamount to necrophilia.
That’s not something our Sammy would do.

Really? Because according to today’s TV Guide interview with JARED, he’s under the assumption that Sam and Ruby “are lovers.” And he laughs about it. Apparently it’s no big deal to him.

I honestly used to like Sam and Jared, but after all of the whining by the Jared fans this season, I’m done. Jared can stay or he can go. Whatever. I think as the first few episodes of this season have proved, Jensen can carry the show virtually by himself without any problem. And if the Sam/Jared fans just want to complain about everything anyway, maybe that would be best for everyone.