I mean, I can totally picture Sam being some kind of Anakin. I loved DV but always hated Anakin. It’s weird but this character and what happened to him always frustrated me. So Sam is going to the dark side but it’s only because he has good intentions. That’s quite boring, isn’t it?
I don’t want to dislike Sam, but it’s what’s going to happen. I guess.

As for Dean and Obiwan comparaison, even if it sounds right too… it’s just crapy. I prefer ten thousand time the Dean/Han Solo comparaison. I always thought Solo was the most interesting character in Star Wars. And it’s easier to see the comparaison between Dean and him. Beside, I don’t like the fact that they are making Dean being some kid of a sage mentor. I really hope writers are not going there and will flesh Dean.

Even if I really like Sam, I hope they will going some other purpose to Dean. I’d like him to be something else than Sam’s brother.

So, I’m a little disapointed about this comparaison. I really hope there are more behind it and that writers are not exactly taking that road. I love this show and would like to love till the end.

I was on the fence anyway, thanks to the CWs Sam-less promotions for S4, and EK showing the first 5 minutes at ComicCon, which were also completely Sam-less. I still read interviews, and to be honest, I watched The Afterschool one, because I do love me some WeeChesters, but those two are the only ones I’ve watched this season, and I’m glad…

As for mysogeny, lets not forget that it even reaches the children on the show- Lucas, Michael, Ben, all saints. Little girl Lilith, the girl from TKAAR, the girl in CSPWDT, all evil little monsters…

And Sam as Anakin? Yuck. I swear if I’d known this was the path it was going to follow (rather than the Luke/Han Solo), I would never have invested so much time and heart into this show.

Sam is Anakin all of a sudden? Initially I thought both boys would be heroes but it’s turned out to be Demon Sam and Saint Dean and it’s become boring like, yes, hell.

Guess CW got another soap after all, because there’s little gray in this series now. There’s painting Sam totally black and Dean is the woobie poor misunderstood angel with tarnished wings who can do anything because he saved his brother’s life and went to hell. Nothing will ever top that in self-sacrificing. It’s so noble that God takes pity on poor Dean and sends an angel to resurrect him to show the humanity the glory of his haló.

And Sam, bitchy boy wanting to make a life for himself has to be painted as evil, because that’s what real individualism is all about. That’s what thinking critically is all about, isn’t it? not to even mention the misogynism of the show? The good angel is male and the demon is of course, a female luring a male to destroy the world. Oh, it’s also spitting on any kind of intelligence.

The hero is a white male with slightly sexist views and a black/white view of the world. This is the one getting chosen by God and hailed by angels.

Then of course, at the end, there will be a stupid twist akin to the sending Dean to hell stint and Dean will have to weep some more on the hood of the Impala.

The show jumped the shark when it sent Dean to hell and seemingly it’s aiming to keep doing stupid shark jumps to the bitter end.

I agree with the poster up thread: I will carefully watch out to avoid any show with Kripke’s name attached to it in the future.

At least it’s good that the producers and writers finally stopped lying and are showing the cards.

With Dean, it’s exactly the opposite. We’re frequently bombarded with Dean’s failures, his prejudices, his anger, his weird sexual preferences, and nearly everyone in the show tells him, at one point or another, that he’s useless and pathetic. So, again, that same intellectually rigorous audience looks at this character and says, “Hm. Is he really a loser?” and then picks apart the text, deciding whether it’s true that Dean is at fault for everything, or whether the overt message of the show is actually misleading.

I think that, if the show is starting to really acknowledge the flaws in Sam that have been implicit since season one, but generally unremarked-upon, audience sympathy for both boys will become more even. Since we’re all flawed individuals, it’s easier for us to love characters who are flawed, and more difficult to love characters who are always right. The show has had a good reason for glossing over Sam’s flaws in the past, because no character existed who would call him on them… demons wanted him to work for them, hence building up his ego, and Dean believed Sam to be more moral and stronger than himself, so his criticisms were always more about his own weakness than about Sam’s. But now, with the scales falling from Dean’s eyes regarding his brother’s problems, I think we’re gonna get a clearer view of Sam’s bad side, the way we’ve gotten for Dean.

The nastiest things that have been said between the brothers when no one has been possessed or poisoned have come from Dean. A few gems?

“You’re a selfish bastard.”
“Now you want to make it right (their Dad’s death). Well you can’t, it’s too little too late.”
“Do you know how far off the reservation you’ve gone, how far from human? If I didn’t know you, I’d hunt you.”
“What’s with you and sleeping with monsters?”

Not to mention the multiple times he has punched Sam now, or threatened to punch him when he didn’t like what he heard. No matter what has been said to Sam, Sam has never, ever raised a hand to Dean in anger like that.

But I guess that’s all okay, because of how mean everyone is to Dean, right? Sam doesn’t deserve any kindness or understanding because he’s so mean to Dean. I guess Dean hasn’t made any bad decisions or choices of his own, it’s all just horrible things that have happened to be heaped upon his poor saintly shoulders.