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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait to see what we&#039;re in store for tonight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait to see what we&#8217;re in store for tonight!</p>
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		<title>By: Half Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Half Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having rewatched Heaven and Hell at the weekend, I saw Sam and Ruby&#039;s exchange in a new light: Ruby says Sam is getting flabby and knows what to do to tone up, Sam replies that he&#039;s &#039;not going that again&#039;.  It seems like he changed his mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having rewatched Heaven and Hell at the weekend, I saw Sam and Ruby&#8217;s exchange in a new light: Ruby says Sam is getting flabby and knows what to do to tone up, Sam replies that he&#8217;s &#8216;not going that again&#8217;.  It seems like he changed his mind.</p>
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		<title>By: tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what getting a little tired of people judging Sam then telling me what poor Deans been through.
This show has over done and played on the poor Dean thing way to much.
What do some of you think that stupid deal and the consquences of it did to Sam?NO   you dont think you just see Dean, this show as gone on about how he feels until it is coming out of our ears. 
While Sam gets shoved in the background like a nothing so two pointless angels can have more air time.
What a wonderful show this is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what getting a little tired of people judging Sam then telling me what poor Deans been through.<br />
This show has over done and played on the poor Dean thing way to much.<br />
What do some of you think that stupid deal and the consquences of it did to Sam?NO   you dont think you just see Dean, this show as gone on about how he feels until it is coming out of our ears.<br />
While Sam gets shoved in the background like a nothing so two pointless angels can have more air time.<br />
What a wonderful show this is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great episode all around.  Jensen was OUTSTANDING and gave one of his finest performances of the series.  I can&#039;t say enough about him, he&#039;s been simply amazing this season in handling Dean&#039;s emotional state.  But my god, what more can they put Dean through??  

Cynthia said:

&quot;When I was a kid, my mother had a needlepoint sign that she would hang on her bedroom door when she needed some alone time. The sign said, “mommy has had it.” Dean Winchester needs to put that sign on his door then maybe Sammy will surprise us all and become the savior of the world instead of the one that leads us all into the pit.&quot;


IMO this would be HORRIBLE.  Dean already feels weak because of what Sam said to him in Sex and Violence and because of everything that&#039;s happened to him.  So you&#039;d like to see Dean being shown up by Sam (again) and basically prove him right when Sam said that he&#039;s stronger, smarter, and better than Dean?  Ugh.

Everything Sam does now, with the aid of his girlfriend&#039;s demon blood of course, is so that he can prove to Dean that he&#039;s BETTER.  To me, Sam is at the height of arrogance right now.  He acts like a cocky show-off when he uses his powers and this was especially apparent when he confronted Alastair.  

I think Sam loves feeling that he&#039;s stronger, better, and smarter than Dean based on what he said to Ruby.  [And the fact that Sam talks to Ruby about Dean&#039;s issues really angers me.  I certainly hope Dean keeps everything to himself from now on].  So if Sam (fueled by demon blood) becomes the savior of the world while weak and pathetic Dean is curled up in a ball on the floor ... I just ... wow, I WOULD HATE THIS.  

Just because Dean isn&#039;t a demon blood addict like his brother, doesn&#039;t mean that he isn&#039;t capable of being a hero.  Dean is at a low point right now (with good reason), but I am certain that he can come back from this, stronger than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great episode all around.  Jensen was OUTSTANDING and gave one of his finest performances of the series.  I can&#8217;t say enough about him, he&#8217;s been simply amazing this season in handling Dean&#8217;s emotional state.  But my god, what more can they put Dean through??  </p>
<p>Cynthia said:</p>
<p>&#8220;When I was a kid, my mother had a needlepoint sign that she would hang on her bedroom door when she needed some alone time. The sign said, “mommy has had it.” Dean Winchester needs to put that sign on his door then maybe Sammy will surprise us all and become the savior of the world instead of the one that leads us all into the pit.&#8221;</p>
<p>IMO this would be HORRIBLE.  Dean already feels weak because of what Sam said to him in Sex and Violence and because of everything that&#8217;s happened to him.  So you&#8217;d like to see Dean being shown up by Sam (again) and basically prove him right when Sam said that he&#8217;s stronger, smarter, and better than Dean?  Ugh.</p>
<p>Everything Sam does now, with the aid of his girlfriend&#8217;s demon blood of course, is so that he can prove to Dean that he&#8217;s BETTER.  To me, Sam is at the height of arrogance right now.  He acts like a cocky show-off when he uses his powers and this was especially apparent when he confronted Alastair.  </p>
<p>I think Sam loves feeling that he&#8217;s stronger, better, and smarter than Dean based on what he said to Ruby.  [And the fact that Sam talks to Ruby about Dean's issues really angers me.  I certainly hope Dean keeps everything to himself from now on].  So if Sam (fueled by demon blood) becomes the savior of the world while weak and pathetic Dean is curled up in a ball on the floor &#8230; I just &#8230; wow, I WOULD HATE THIS.  </p>
<p>Just because Dean isn&#8217;t a demon blood addict like his brother, doesn&#8217;t mean that he isn&#8217;t capable of being a hero.  Dean is at a low point right now (with good reason), but I am certain that he can come back from this, stronger than ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Lissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with others that it&#039;s been implied heavily that Sam had been drinking demon blood before this, probably before Dean&#039;s resurrection. His demon Yoda told him before, &quot;You know what you have to do&quot; to get stronger. He said no, he wasn&#039;t going to do that again. Hence, this wasn&#039;t the first time, he just went back to doing what he&#039;d done before. I also didn&#039;t see helping/saving Dean as any motivator for his actions and I&#039;m not seeing any great affection for Dean from him. I don&#039;t doubt for a moment he meant every word he said in the Siren episode, he repeated it pretty much to Ruby in this ep. Jared said himself that Sam &quot;resents&quot; Dean&#039;s coming back. At this point, Sam is just looking for excuses/rationalization/justification for not only using, but enhancing, the taint of the demon that murdered most of his family (mother, father, maternal grandparents) and his fiance. I think he once knew it was wrong and wouldn&#039;t lead anywhere good (I recall his begging Dean way back in &quot;Playthings&quot; to kill him if he became something he wasn&#039;t) but I don&#039;t believe he&#039;s capable of seeing that now and he shuts himself away either physically (cutting Bobby off after Dean&#039;s death) or emotionally (lying to Dean&#039;s face about what he was doing even when he knew full well Dean knew what was happening) from those who will tell him the truth. He has Ruby, who I still am not convinced doesn&#039;t have her own agenda (and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s about saving humanity), the one, and only, being in his life who feeds his darkest impulses and fuels his basest character flaws (pride and arrogance). 

I enjoyed the scenes of the Angels. Jensen and Jared have often commented on how tough it is working relentlessly long hours week in, week out, I&#039;m sure they appreciated the break not having to carry the entire load for once. But I do agree it should have been Castiel and Uriel. Anna is totally unnecessary (and totally outclassed in acting by both Wisdom and Collins) other than as a booty call for Dean and the boy has more important things to deal with these days. The way the writers handwaved her managing to reconstitute her human body was ridiculous as was her Mary Sue-esque role of coming in at the last minute to save the day. Castiel should have been allowed to save himself.

I love the way the Dean/Castiel relationship is developing, I enjoy watching these two talented actors who have great acting chemistry, share the screen. 

I was very disappointed in the way Dean&#039;s story was handled earlier in the season, coming back from the worst experience imaginable and seemingly just fine. I&#039;m glad they&#039;re finally showing he&#039;s not fine, and he shouldn&#039;t be after everything he&#039;s been through. The longest relationship of Dean&#039;s existence has been with his torturer. How messed up is that? 

I hope that in the end, the brothers are working together to end Lilith and whatever plans Azazel had of his own, and not at opposite ends, but I think Sam is going to have to take a hard fall before he sees past the self-delusion, to what he&#039;s allowing himself to become. Unfortunately I don&#039;t see that happening soon and with only a few eps left in this season, doesn&#039;t look like the brotherly bond will be mended by season&#039;s end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with others that it&#8217;s been implied heavily that Sam had been drinking demon blood before this, probably before Dean&#8217;s resurrection. His demon Yoda told him before, &#8220;You know what you have to do&#8221; to get stronger. He said no, he wasn&#8217;t going to do that again. Hence, this wasn&#8217;t the first time, he just went back to doing what he&#8217;d done before. I also didn&#8217;t see helping/saving Dean as any motivator for his actions and I&#8217;m not seeing any great affection for Dean from him. I don&#8217;t doubt for a moment he meant every word he said in the Siren episode, he repeated it pretty much to Ruby in this ep. Jared said himself that Sam &#8220;resents&#8221; Dean&#8217;s coming back. At this point, Sam is just looking for excuses/rationalization/justification for not only using, but enhancing, the taint of the demon that murdered most of his family (mother, father, maternal grandparents) and his fiance. I think he once knew it was wrong and wouldn&#8217;t lead anywhere good (I recall his begging Dean way back in &#8220;Playthings&#8221; to kill him if he became something he wasn&#8217;t) but I don&#8217;t believe he&#8217;s capable of seeing that now and he shuts himself away either physically (cutting Bobby off after Dean&#8217;s death) or emotionally (lying to Dean&#8217;s face about what he was doing even when he knew full well Dean knew what was happening) from those who will tell him the truth. He has Ruby, who I still am not convinced doesn&#8217;t have her own agenda (and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s about saving humanity), the one, and only, being in his life who feeds his darkest impulses and fuels his basest character flaws (pride and arrogance). </p>
<p>I enjoyed the scenes of the Angels. Jensen and Jared have often commented on how tough it is working relentlessly long hours week in, week out, I&#8217;m sure they appreciated the break not having to carry the entire load for once. But I do agree it should have been Castiel and Uriel. Anna is totally unnecessary (and totally outclassed in acting by both Wisdom and Collins) other than as a booty call for Dean and the boy has more important things to deal with these days. The way the writers handwaved her managing to reconstitute her human body was ridiculous as was her Mary Sue-esque role of coming in at the last minute to save the day. Castiel should have been allowed to save himself.</p>
<p>I love the way the Dean/Castiel relationship is developing, I enjoy watching these two talented actors who have great acting chemistry, share the screen. </p>
<p>I was very disappointed in the way Dean&#8217;s story was handled earlier in the season, coming back from the worst experience imaginable and seemingly just fine. I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re finally showing he&#8217;s not fine, and he shouldn&#8217;t be after everything he&#8217;s been through. The longest relationship of Dean&#8217;s existence has been with his torturer. How messed up is that? </p>
<p>I hope that in the end, the brothers are working together to end Lilith and whatever plans Azazel had of his own, and not at opposite ends, but I think Sam is going to have to take a hard fall before he sees past the self-delusion, to what he&#8217;s allowing himself to become. Unfortunately I don&#8217;t see that happening soon and with only a few eps left in this season, doesn&#8217;t look like the brotherly bond will be mended by season&#8217;s end.</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
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		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t explain that very well, let me try again. 

 We had Rev. LeGrange in Faith, saying Dean had a purpose that he hadn&#039;t fulfilled yet and that&#039;s why the Lord has guided his hand to him. It was as though &quot;God&quot; if you will was using a bad situation created by a human(SueAnne) in order do some good with it.  Dean was saved from would have seemed to be his death yet again, in IMTOD.  Then we had Dean relating to Archangel Michael in Houses of the Holy.

This is one reason why I do not believe John was really meant to break the first seal and that Alastair was lying.  Dean is the one who was presented as having a purpose, though it was subtly done, that had not yet been fulfilled.  

I don&#039;t think Dean&#039;s purpose was so much to break the first seal as that by Dean breaking the first seal, it insured that Dean would be the one who would finish it, whether that means stopping the last seal or somehow stopping the apocalypse after it starts.

There is too much balance to that for it be &quot;Here Dean, you go sit in a corner and take a rest, let Demon powered Sammy do it because you&#039;re just too weak&quot;.  In Death Takes a Holiday they even pointed up Dean&#039;s rather complicated &quot;relationship&quot; with death, who happened to be personified by Tessa, which is a subtle thread I&#039;ve always appreciated on the show and I&#039;m glad they didn&#039;t forget about it.  On the one hand he longs for it to a certain extent, yet I on the other he has work to do.   Stopping the Apocalypse, however that is supposed to happen, really ties into that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t explain that very well, let me try again. </p>
<p> We had Rev. LeGrange in Faith, saying Dean had a purpose that he hadn&#8217;t fulfilled yet and that&#8217;s why the Lord has guided his hand to him. It was as though &#8220;God&#8221; if you will was using a bad situation created by a human(SueAnne) in order do some good with it.  Dean was saved from would have seemed to be his death yet again, in IMTOD.  Then we had Dean relating to Archangel Michael in Houses of the Holy.</p>
<p>This is one reason why I do not believe John was really meant to break the first seal and that Alastair was lying.  Dean is the one who was presented as having a purpose, though it was subtly done, that had not yet been fulfilled.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Dean&#8217;s purpose was so much to break the first seal as that by Dean breaking the first seal, it insured that Dean would be the one who would finish it, whether that means stopping the last seal or somehow stopping the apocalypse after it starts.</p>
<p>There is too much balance to that for it be &#8220;Here Dean, you go sit in a corner and take a rest, let Demon powered Sammy do it because you&#8217;re just too weak&#8221;.  In Death Takes a Holiday they even pointed up Dean&#8217;s rather complicated &#8220;relationship&#8221; with death, who happened to be personified by Tessa, which is a subtle thread I&#8217;ve always appreciated on the show and I&#8217;m glad they didn&#8217;t forget about it.  On the one hand he longs for it to a certain extent, yet I on the other he has work to do.   Stopping the Apocalypse, however that is supposed to happen, really ties into that.</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
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		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; It’s that love that made him cross the line and do something he truly didn’t want to do. &quot;

I disagree here, because Sam has clearly been drinking blood since at least Criss Angel. So he didn&#039;t &quot;do it for Dean&quot;.  That is what he and Ruby were cryptically talking about early in that episode and what he decided to do when he got into the car with her at the end. He was already going to see Ruby as he talked to Dean about, at the beginning of this episode.  Sam was clearly going to get his hit from her prior to the angels coming to get Dean.  He even talks like an addict &quot;I need it&quot;.

&quot;“Dean Winchester needs to put that sign on his door then maybe Sammy will surprise us all and become the savior of the world instead of the one that leads us all into the pit.&quot;

Wow that would suck.  So it would be like &quot;Hey Dean you are really are a pathetic weak loser, let the big boys do this&quot;.  After how low the show has pushed Dean nothing less than Dean rising like a phoenix out of ashes to save the world will be enough to balance out how low they&#039;ve taken him.  Sam&#039;s just a junkie, as soon as he stops drinking demon blood, he&#039;ll be fine.  Dean was in HELL, responsible for breaking the first seal by turning torturer himself, though he had no way of knowing that at the time, he&#039;s been pushed as low as anyone possibly could be.  Nothing less than being the one to &quot;save them&quot;, as the angels said in Anna&#039;s Angel Radio days, can balance that out.

If Kripke did what you suggest, it would be terrible storytelling, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; It’s that love that made him cross the line and do something he truly didn’t want to do. &#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree here, because Sam has clearly been drinking blood since at least Criss Angel. So he didn&#8217;t &#8220;do it for Dean&#8221;.  That is what he and Ruby were cryptically talking about early in that episode and what he decided to do when he got into the car with her at the end. He was already going to see Ruby as he talked to Dean about, at the beginning of this episode.  Sam was clearly going to get his hit from her prior to the angels coming to get Dean.  He even talks like an addict &#8220;I need it&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;“Dean Winchester needs to put that sign on his door then maybe Sammy will surprise us all and become the savior of the world instead of the one that leads us all into the pit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow that would suck.  So it would be like &#8220;Hey Dean you are really are a pathetic weak loser, let the big boys do this&#8221;.  After how low the show has pushed Dean nothing less than Dean rising like a phoenix out of ashes to save the world will be enough to balance out how low they&#8217;ve taken him.  Sam&#8217;s just a junkie, as soon as he stops drinking demon blood, he&#8217;ll be fine.  Dean was in HELL, responsible for breaking the first seal by turning torturer himself, though he had no way of knowing that at the time, he&#8217;s been pushed as low as anyone possibly could be.  Nothing less than being the one to &#8220;save them&#8221;, as the angels said in Anna&#8217;s Angel Radio days, can balance that out.</p>
<p>If Kripke did what you suggest, it would be terrible storytelling, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dean Winchester needs to put that sign on his door then maybe Sammy will surprise us all and become the savior of the world instead of the one that leads us all into the pit.&quot;

Aw, that&#039;d be awful, though, wouldn&#039;t it? After everyone telling him as much, Dean really IS a weak failure who can&#039;t do anything, and has to just shut himself up in a room and cry while his brother saves the world? No, thanks. I&#039;d be out of here so fast it&#039;d make Kripke&#039;s head spin. I&#039;d like both boys to have some agency, thank you very much! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dean Winchester needs to put that sign on his door then maybe Sammy will surprise us all and become the savior of the world instead of the one that leads us all into the pit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aw, that&#8217;d be awful, though, wouldn&#8217;t it? After everyone telling him as much, Dean really IS a weak failure who can&#8217;t do anything, and has to just shut himself up in a room and cry while his brother saves the world? No, thanks. I&#8217;d be out of here so fast it&#8217;d make Kripke&#8217;s head spin. I&#8217;d like both boys to have some agency, thank you very much! <img src='http://www.sfuniverse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tavore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tavore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was good to see Sammy caring about his brother , I liked him in this ep. and how he saved them . Dean was heartbreaking , Cas marvelous , Alastair was a great demon . Great great episode , more episodes like this one !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was good to see Sammy caring about his brother , I liked him in this ep. and how he saved them . Dean was heartbreaking , Cas marvelous , Alastair was a great demon . Great great episode , more episodes like this one !!!</p>
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		<title>By: ima</title>
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		<dc:creator>ima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, 13 eps ago Dean was told by Castiel to stop Sammy from honing his power or he would smite him (Sam), 13 eps later that said power saved his ass? Seriously? 

Sammy&#039;s sums it up for me about what I want for this season&#039;s convoluted mytharc: &quot;Miracle, Now!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, 13 eps ago Dean was told by Castiel to stop Sammy from honing his power or he would smite him (Sam), 13 eps later that said power saved his ass? Seriously? </p>
<p>Sammy&#8217;s sums it up for me about what I want for this season&#8217;s convoluted mytharc: &#8220;Miracle, Now!&#8221;</p>
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