Kripke is a creative genius, the show is awesome – I love Sam and Dean. Enjoy it, enjoy them, have a little fun, be loyal, get your groove on, get a little drowned in it – then get the hell out of the damn pool, AND DO SOMETHING ELSE! Let Kripke, Jared, Jensen, etc. tell the story. Don’t get SO steeped in your own presumptuous perceptions, of the show. While some good points are made – many are just plain off, on errant tangents. Therefore, half the time -you argue over things that aren’t even there, in the first place. Listen, see, learn, and consider…talk a little less.

The self-reference episode was so on point. For people who call themselves fans – ya’ll sure do complain alot. Over-identifying, much? I don’t know. But whatever it is – stop it! What WOULD be acceptable comments, opinions, ideas, complaints, passion, etc. – is just taken SO damn far. TOO far. To the point where it defeats its own purpose…its ridiculous. Stand back, and just let the show be. Its a damn good show. The best, I think television has ever seen. These guys BUST THEIR ASSES, giving us this show. I personally appreciate everything about the show…including its very real portrayal of real personalities, real relationships, real struggles – personal and interpersonal, and the real gray areas and imperfections one experiences in real life. All that the show raises – is to make us stir, ponder, appreciate, relate…enjoy. Not bitch and whine and argue and fight – like idiots in front of some daytime television judge, or talkshow host! And definitely not to go overboard, like mental patients, off their medication.

You are still part of the fandom – and I love you guys, I do. But damn. This shit is EVERYWHERE. It breaks my heart and pisses me off, at the same time. Don’t you get tired of it – or ever stop to say, “What the hell…?” Some of you are teasing insanity! Don’t live through the show, like a soap opera coach potato, without a life. You’re so close to it, your blind. Back up…so you can see clearly, and more fully appreciate – the deliberate dynamics of a matchless television series. And – End. …Love you.

Wow, when did this become a discussion about who the better brother is?? First off, both characters are phenomenal and without one the show would not be good. Secondly, they both have had their own “demons” to face, so to speak, and neither are “angels”. Dean, yes he has started the apocalypse. Bad Dean, BAD! Sammy, yes, he’s sexing demons while drinking their blood. Kinky and bad! But both characters have suffered the beatings of others not to mention the beatings from themselves. Sam fans I ask you to remember, Dean, is a constant tortured soul who will never find happiness because he wouldn’t know what it looked like if it was naked and spread eagle on top of the Impala. He loves his brother more than life itself (obviously) and would do anything for the people close to him in his life despite the fact that he takes no shortage of “god, you really do suck” and “do what you’re told, bitch” comments from the Angels. Not to mention his own brother thinks he is weak and incapable of handling what’s in front of him (I ask you…how much would that suck?) Oooh and how short our memory is Dean fans…do we not remember back to the last season when Sammy was hunted down by his fellow Hunters for reasons that were beyond his control. It’s not his fault that YED (or Azazel for those paying close attention) put demon blood in him. Or let’s talk about when Dean said, “Sammy, if I didn’t know you, I’d hunt you!”?!?! That’s pretty screwed up. I don’t think Kripke’s playing any favorites, I think the boys are each following the only course left to them. After all, this is a show about Ghosts, DEMONS, vampires, etc… They are suppose to be treated badly, this is not a happy show!! Funny at times, absolutely, but not happy. It’s dramatic and painful. The first episode we see Sam’s girlfriend and mother burning in flames on the ceiling. That should have clued everyone in that this is not a happy show. It would be like 24 fans complaining because Jack Bauer kills copious amounts of people in every episode. It’s not meant to be happy!

And as a side note to everyone quit being petty, both actors are getting equal and quality amounts of screen time. I’m sure if you asked Jensen or Jared they would request less considering that most of the show is filmed with them in every seen. (Not that I would like to see less of them mind you, but the shooting hours are ridiculous). Both boys are flawed and the final scores aren’t in yet on who the more “evil” brother is. Sam is close to going round the bend, and he strangled Dean, I know. But that doesn’t mean he can’t/won’t come back. And the drama of this, is what makes the show so compelling.

To Be a Hero or Not to be a Hero…

What is a hero exactly? Many would probably say a honorable, self-sacrificing individual. I say, hero’s are boring! They are one dimensional characters who, I personally, wouldn’t want to watch 4 seasons of. Sam and Dean are the anti-hero’s and anti-hero’s are not perfect and they don’t finish things up with a nice pretty bow. They’re angry, they’re damaged and can sometimes make a mess of things but despite it all, they get the job done for the greater good. Both Dean AND Sam fit that description. Now, it’s in their own unique way, but this is what Kripke has always intended for these characters. They are fulfilling his vision of the Obi-Wan and Anakin of the small screen. So enjoy it and quit getting all pissy because the boys aren’t sharing that “brotherly love” anymore.

Bobby – the get your s_*t together or else Father Figure

Bobby is a fantastic character who always helps bring the boys back to center and comes through in a pinch. Those of you turning on Bobby because he yelled at Dean (cry me a frickin river), I am going to assume you are 12 years old and have yet to realize that every adult needs a good kick in the pants every now then. He loves both brothers and wants to see them back together just as much as the fans of the show do. Bobby is awesome and I sincerely hope he doesn’t die – nuff said.

Ruby – the Jar-Jar Binks of the show

Okay, I know I’m going to get yelled at for this one but Ruby really isn’t that bad of a character. She’s important to the story and I understand why Kripke has kept her around. She is instrumental in facilitating the rift between Sam and Dean (which I know is why many of you do not like her) but again, it’s what has helped make the show reach unimaginable depth for series called “Supernatural”. That being said, I wasn’t pleased when they decided to switch actors who portrayed Ruby but it does make sense. Kripke needed Sam to fully accept Ruby as a person in his life and for Sam to do that Ruby needed to subdue his conscience of “don’t steal that live girl’s body!”. What I like about the Ruby character is, I don’t think we’ve gotten the full picture of Ruby’s end game. I think it will be interesting to see where her character goes in Season 5. So I say, Rock On Kripke!

Let Me Sum Up…

I’m neither a Dean or Sam girl. I did start watching the show in Season 1 because as I was flipping through the channels I recognized Jensen Ackles as the guy who played Alec on the show Dark Angel. But so the Sam/Jared Padlecki fans don’t yell at me for being a “Dean Girl”, I started watching old episodes of the Gilmore Girls just because Jared was in it. My point, I love both characters equally and honestly believe that Kripke is taking the show in a fantastic direction. It’s painful to watch Sam turn on Dean as it was painful to watch Dean breakdown that “I’ma badass” exterior and see how vulnerable, maybe even weak, when he was when he came back from hell. I am excited and eagerly waiting to see how Kripke and the rest of the writing staff round out this epic battle of good vs. evil. My advice to other fans is to calm down, pump up the ac/dc and enjoy the ride because I’m sure Kripke’s got a lot more in store for these boys and we’ve only begun to see the “genesis” of this apocalypse…

But yeah, you never make more friends for a man than when you abuse him unjustly, so the saying goes. (And before you all go crying about those terms, it’s a quotation, and “abuse” in the older sense of the term, ie, “be a jerk to”.) And since Dean bears the brunt of an awful lot of in-show criticism (he’s stupid, he’s needy, he’s weak, he’s pathetic, he’s mindless), he gets an equal portion of fan support. That’s just how these things go.

Yup I’m a proud EDG. Never denied it, not going to apologize for it and I’m not going to pretend that I love both boys equally just to pacify the samfans who are just vitriolic but just fewer in number.

***Seriously – you are so right. A few nutcases have been taken in by Jensen’s pretty face and forgotten that Dean is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and treat him like their own personal woobie have ruined it for the rest of us.***

You are so right Rachel. Samfans are clearly much more discerning since they favor the much less interesting and attractive character. They are gentle sweet souls just like their Sammy who never, ever does anything wrong, is completely without flaws, is purely a victim in every way possible and holds no responsibility for any conflict. I can see why y’all love him so.

The sad part is, Kripke’s a bit of a moron and tends to write for this small, but vocal, group, and the rest of us have to watch the crap that comes out. I hope he ignores the vitriol that will come Bobby’s way. In fact, I hope he ignores them all and just writes his damn story and stops catering to these whiny fans.

Wanna bet Sam’s never going to be getting any highly insulting speeches about his behavior from Bobby or anyone else they might hold any weight from. The only person who might say anything is Dean and naturally he’ll be painted as in the wrong and “mean to Sam” for doing so.

Sympathetic, “good” third parties never belittle Sam’s feelings or his pain or his brain or anything about him.

“Also regarding the claims that deanfans were outraged by Mystery Spot because there was less Dean, I have no idea where you are getting that from. I thought that episode was very well liked, I certainly quite loved it.”

I liked Mystery Spot just fine and so did nearly all my Dean loving friends.

I never understand the complaint that we don’t know what Sam did, we don’t know how he feels, how he felt, etc. And we know in detail what Dean did? No we don’t, not really. He gave a very brief summation in the 4 to 6 minutes he brought it up this whole season but guess what? We really didn’t find out more about what Dean did in Hell and we didn’t find out more about Dean felt about the aftermath, with his memories. No more than we did with Sam.

I’m going to go up to just episode 4.14, which was where the show took it’s second hiatus.

In no way do I claim it to be a total summation but it’s mainly just to show that yes, I do believe we have gotten to see and hear what is going on with Sam.

In Lazarus Rising – with the final scene between Sam and Ruby we found out he and Ruby had been hanging out for quite some time(taking it back to the motel room scene, we discovered at the very least she was quite comfortable hanging around half naked in his motel room). Earlier on we also got some of Sam’s feelings in the motel room, talking to Dean after

In Metamorphosis, just two episodes later – we saw Dean find out what Sam was doing, which in turn gave Sam the opportunity to argue his side, which he did in two, count ‘em, TWO, rather lengthy speeches(in the motel room and outside the car), telling us how he felt and so on. And then a third later on where he vows he’s going to give it up, for HIMSELF, ’cause he’s just tough like that.

Now let’s see in those first 4 episodes what did we find out about Dean’s time in Hell….erm…nothing. There was a brief 1 second long flashback of sound and light in Lazarus Rising. When it comes to why he pulled out of Hell, not much different, Castiel gave little real info, just very cryptic statements and some threats.

In Are You There God….Dean talked about how he felt being pulled out by an angel, he didn’t understand it, couldn’t see why it would happen to him and didn’t believe it was necessarily anything particularly good(hmmm….Dean was right). Sam thought it was a good thing and said Dean had to admit it was real now(as Sam had believed and Dean hadn’t).

In In The Beginning – that was very little about Dean personally – that was about him learning about his family and about Sam. It was also about him learning stuff Sam had been keeping from him for almost a year prior to his going to Hell. But in his interactions with his family members we do get to see his feelings about them.

In point of fact it shows Dean to be a forgiving person who is more concerned about the well-being of his family then with whether or not they live up to some image he has of them. Because he clearly still loved his mother dearly after this episode despite what he found out. And even Sam, he finds out Sam’s been lying and sneaking around but he still tells him what happened. Which thus kind of puts to lie everything Bobby is saying in this clip, even if we didn’t have 4 seasons worth of other episodes to do so.

In Metamorphosis, along with the internal, emotional Sam stuff from Sam’s side already discussed, despite finding out Sam had been lying to him from the minute he got back and hanging out with a demon – Dean told him about that experience, told him their mom had been from a hunting family, told him about her deal(which in turn would be why Sam “slipped” up and accidently revealed he already knew the part Dean hadn’t gotten to yet – the demon blood dripping, thus he is caught in another lie).

In episode 5 – Mainly a standlone but Dean mentioned he felt like he’d gotten a second chance to do some good. We also found out Sam had gone to see Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull while Dean was in Hell.

In episode 6 – they used Dean’s fears for laughs and they were mainly just funny setpieces as opposed to anything very deep, but at the end we discover, through his interaction with Hallucination!Lilith, that he has been repressing memories of Hell, which would explain why he was infected by the ghost sickness.

In episode 7, we find out more of Sam’s feelings about his powers, we see him react to the angels and how they treat him, we see how this affects him. Right in the moment, as it’s happening. We see how Sam feels about it and what it does to his faith.

In episode 8, we learn more about his state of his mind due to his reaction the wishing well and what his wish would be(Lilith’s head on a plate). At the end of the episode, Dean admits(on his own, he wasn’t caught, he just felt bad about lying to Sam earlier when he asked what he remembered) he wasn’t telling him the truth at the beginning of the episode when he said he didn’t remember Hell, but that he just can’t talk about it.

In episode 9, we get actual FLASHBACKS to what Sam did on his summer vacation. Quite a few minutes worth of flashbacks, as he’s explaining his feelings and choices during that time to Dean and why he’s doing what he’s doing now – who by the way listens quite non-judgementally and who for the rest of the two episodes is fairly civil to Ruby thus showing he’s trying to meet Sam halfway. So yeah, lots of stuff about Sam in that episode.

In episode 10 – Dean shows discomfort when Hell is mentioned to him by Anna and at the end of the episode, they take about 2 minutes to have Dean emotionally reveal to Sam the basics about his time in Hell – how long he was there(40 years), that he was tortured and that he broke(after 30 years of continuous torture) and ended up torturing other souls.

In episode 11 – We find out Dean’s been running them ragged working cases in an attempt to keep his mind off his memories and that Dean feels a connection to both sides of the case, the victims and the perpetrators, and that he sees himself as worse than an animal for what he did in Hell after 30 years of torture. He is angry at himself, there are no tears. It is the first time he has talked about it in over a month within the show’s timeline, since he first mentioned it at the end of 4.10. Makes a grand total of twice.

In episode 12 – Ruby shows up, tells Sam “oceans of people will die”, this still does not convince Sam to do what she wants him to do(which she also mentioned crypically in episode 10). We see that Sam is very much affected by the events of this episode, much as Dean was in episode 11. Sam vaguely makes a comment to Dean about “cutting off the head of the snake” Dean replies yeah but this snake will just grow a thousand more, that it’s a long haul. This life either ends bloody or ends sad. Sam doesn’t like this answer, so Sam goes to Ruby at the end, rather than sharing a quiet drink with Dean to talk it out, says he doesn’t want to be doing this when he’s 60(as the old magicians where the one had finally ended up old and alone despite doing the “right” thing, no reward).

Episode 13 – mainly about Sam’s memories of one high school they went to, and they tied it into what he is experiencing now. A big question being “Is Sam happy?” Which ties back into the previous episode.

Episode 14 – Dean discovers Sam has been lying and sneaking around. A siren uses this to get Dean alone(though funnily enough it’s Sam who pushes Dean off on the FBI guy so he can do the “important stuff” and screw the female doctor) and tricks him into “swapping spit” by sharing a drink with him thus infecting him.

Sam then is also infected after the siren gets Dean to hold him still and they are both told by the siren to get their feelings off their chest(he does not tell them what to say) before fighting to the death over who gets to be with him – Dean reveals he knows Sam’s lying to him again, he wants to feel like they are partners again who have each other’s backs, his tone is sad and regretful. Sam reveals he’s sneaking around on Dean because he believes Dean is weak and afraid, his tone is demeaning and superior. Dean wins the fight but Bobby shows up before it comes to the Siren’s ordered conclusion – death for the loser.

We’ve gotten plenty on Sam’s feelings, it’s not all pretty but it’s been there and it’s been there throughout the season.