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	<title>Comments on: Supernatural: Pre-Finale Preoccupation</title>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.sfuniverse.com/2009/05/12/supernatural-pre-finale-preoccupation-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-5052</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To momentarygrace - why you call this typical prejudice? Based on stuff said on different forums, its pretty much the general opinion. Fans love Castiel &amp; Bobby and calling for Ruby to just go away. How can it be prejudice when so many are thinking the same way?  Its spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To momentarygrace &#8211; why you call this typical prejudice? Based on stuff said on different forums, its pretty much the general opinion. Fans love Castiel &amp; Bobby and calling for Ruby to just go away. How can it be prejudice when so many are thinking the same way?  Its spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am applauding!  This was great amd I agree with every word on the characters. Going to read part 2 now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am applauding!  This was great amd I agree with every word on the characters. Going to read part 2 now.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 05:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still love Sam and Dean and hope S4 ends with some hope that Sam can get it together and the boys can reunite.

Castiel is made of awesome becuase MC is great and has a wonderful dynamic with Jensen/Dean. I hope Cas is good and will stick around but not ride in the back of the impala.

JB is a class act and I adore him, however I have not liked the writing at all for Bobby this season outside of LR and S&amp;V and I fear after the finale I will not care much for Bobby anymore, another great character sacrifised to prop Sam.


Ruby and Lilith both need to die. I cannot stand eaither, although Lilith is not as loathsome as Ruby and I hate that Kripke is forcing Ruby&#039;s boring ass down my throat. If she is back in S5 I may not be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still love Sam and Dean and hope S4 ends with some hope that Sam can get it together and the boys can reunite.</p>
<p>Castiel is made of awesome becuase MC is great and has a wonderful dynamic with Jensen/Dean. I hope Cas is good and will stick around but not ride in the back of the impala.</p>
<p>JB is a class act and I adore him, however I have not liked the writing at all for Bobby this season outside of LR and S&amp;V and I fear after the finale I will not care much for Bobby anymore, another great character sacrifised to prop Sam.</p>
<p>Ruby and Lilith both need to die. I cannot stand eaither, although Lilith is not as loathsome as Ruby and I hate that Kripke is forcing Ruby&#8217;s boring ass down my throat. If she is back in S5 I may not be.</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved new Lilith!!!! =D
Loved Cas and Bobby!!!!!!!!!!! *.*It does not have words to describe how much good actors they are
I am a privileged one in being able to see supernatural. =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved new Lilith!!!! =D<br />
Loved Cas and Bobby!!!!!!!!!!! *.*It does not have words to describe how much good actors they are<br />
I am a privileged one in being able to see supernatural. =D</p>
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		<title>By: Castiels_Angel_Wings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Castiels_Angel_Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, SPN fans are saltgunners.
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, SPN fans are saltgunners.<br />
 <img src='http://www.sfuniverse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard SPN fans referred to as &quot;saltgunners&quot; and I liked that! 

What does everyone else think?

Saltgunners?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard SPN fans referred to as &#8220;saltgunners&#8221; and I liked that! </p>
<p>What does everyone else think?</p>
<p>Saltgunners?</p>
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		<title>By: yumi</title>
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		<dc:creator>yumi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supernaturalites?  Hmm... Do we have something more snappy and catchy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supernaturalites?  Hmm&#8230; Do we have something more snappy and catchy?</p>
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		<title>By: yumi</title>
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		<dc:creator>yumi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said!  About every thing.  About Sam &amp; Dean, not Sam v.s. Dean. About Bobby.  Although I&#039;m not too keen that SPN has become somewhat convulted with the angel v.s. demon and apocalypse myth arc (and I definitely won&#039;t be happy if Dean becomes an angel and Sam becomes a demon), I agree with what you said about Castiel, Ruby and the whole heaven &amp; hell.  

It&#039;s been depressing and emotionally exhausting to watch the brothers fight.  While it is good drama, I don&#039;t think I can&#039;t take another season of that.  

In the past, the theme has been no matter how hard life is, no matter how much suffering and loss there are, you’ll always have your brother, who will support and love you unconditionally, and everything will be fine (relatively). I want the underlying brotherly love, warmth, joy and hope back. 

Sam &amp; Dean v.s. everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said!  About every thing.  About Sam &amp; Dean, not Sam v.s. Dean. About Bobby.  Although I&#8217;m not too keen that SPN has become somewhat convulted with the angel v.s. demon and apocalypse myth arc (and I definitely won&#8217;t be happy if Dean becomes an angel and Sam becomes a demon), I agree with what you said about Castiel, Ruby and the whole heaven &amp; hell.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been depressing and emotionally exhausting to watch the brothers fight.  While it is good drama, I don&#8217;t think I can&#8217;t take another season of that.  </p>
<p>In the past, the theme has been no matter how hard life is, no matter how much suffering and loss there are, you’ll always have your brother, who will support and love you unconditionally, and everything will be fine (relatively). I want the underlying brotherly love, warmth, joy and hope back. </p>
<p>Sam &amp; Dean v.s. everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I don&#039;t know what show you&#039;re watching, Ellie, but I don&#039;t see how you can say that the show has EVER presented Dean as smelling like roses at the expense of Sam.  It seems to me that the show continually whitewashes Sam’s actions, while at the same time, dumps on Dean.
Dean made the deal (which he alone is blamed for and took full responsibility for), Dean went to hell, he broke and he allowed the first seal to break – all Dean’s fault.  Dean not only tortured souls in hell, he ENJOYED doing it (because if Sam has to turn dark, then Dean does too).  And then Dean returned from hell and he&#039;s not exactly Mr. Sensitive with Sam is he?  No, because if he was, then Dean *would* come out smelling like roses, right?  Dean would be sitting high atop his pedestal, where the Sam-only like to criticize Kripke for putting him.  Because if Dean was always soft and sensitive then what excuse could Sam (and the Sam fans) use to excuse Sam actions and his lies.  If Dean had been always gentle and calm with Sam, then Sam would be presented as unsympathetic for continuing down his dark path, continuing to lie to Dean and sneak around with Ruby behind his back.  So the show gives Dean some thorns (lots and lots of thorns) just so that Sam can smell quite rosy.

And no, Dean is not happy with Sam using his powers (which aren&#039;t actually evil are they?).  He yells and he hits and he reacts badly ... and oh yes, the Sam-only fans LOVE to point this out, even going so far as to accuse Dean of not loving or caring about Sam.  [Yeah, right.]  So because Dean is no longer all consumed with Sam and what Sam needs and Sam&#039;s destiny (OMG, you mean Dean is his OWN person?!), Dean is criticized for being selfish and non-caring, all so that Sam can appear sympathetic.  Even the angels are made to look like dicks.  Sure, they tell Sam that he’s wrong to use his powers, but since they’re unsympathetic dicks, we shouldn’t blame poor Sam for using them anyway.

So, we have Dean, who&#039;s at fault for everything thus far.  And then we&#039;re presented with Sam.  Sam only hooked up with Ruby again because Dean left him all alone in this crap hole of a world (MEAN!).  Sam is only lying to Dean about his powers because Dean is MEAN (he&#039;s angry, he yells, he hits while Sam never hits back).  Sam is only using his powers to kill demons, and that&#039;s a good thing, right?  He can kill demons without harming the host.  And he&#039;s only drinking demon blood to power up to kill Lilith, and that&#039;s a good thing too.  Sam SAVES Dean, SAVES Castiel, and KILLS Dean&#039;s evil torturer, Alastair.  Sam’s powers don’t harm anyone but himself, and that’s okay, right?  For almost the entire season, SAM comes out smelling like roses … NOT DEAN.
And even when Sam does get caught drinking demon blood, they have Dean lock him up against his will (MEAN!).  And then we&#039;re presented with Sam&#039;s POV.  Everyone is mean to Sam and they just don’t understand what it&#039;s like to be him.  Sam is just a victim in all this – of the YED, of Ruby, of DEAN – Sam just wants to save the world.  Dean can’t do it (he’s WEAK, he CRIES, he “WHINES”, and he even tells Cas to find someone else because he can’t do it!).  So once again, Sam can be shown to be RIGHT and rosy.

So now, I imagine that Dean will be painted as some kind of racist against demon-blood addicts because he no longer believes that Sam is “his” Sam and called him a monster (MEAN!).  And its apparently Dean’s fault that Sam nearly choked him to death (I&#039;ve seen the Sam-only fans say it was all to protect Dean?!).  Sam just wanted Dean to join him and his sweet and helpful bff Ruby to go off and save the world.  What&#039;s wrong with that?  But instead Dean tells poor abused Sam that if he walks out that door he can’t come back (MEAN!). 

I would LOVE it for ONCE if Sam has to take the blame for something – if the show presents Sam’s actions as wrong and actually holds him accountable.  Because for ONCE, Dean deserves to be the one *not* to have to admit, as he did in last season’s finale, that it’s “ALL HIS FAULT.”  For ONCE, I’d like those words to come out of Sam’s mouth instead of Dean’s.  And then (and only then) would I consider them to be equally smelling of roses.  But right now, Sam is definitely coming out the rosier of the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I don&#8217;t know what show you&#8217;re watching, Ellie, but I don&#8217;t see how you can say that the show has EVER presented Dean as smelling like roses at the expense of Sam.  It seems to me that the show continually whitewashes Sam’s actions, while at the same time, dumps on Dean.<br />
Dean made the deal (which he alone is blamed for and took full responsibility for), Dean went to hell, he broke and he allowed the first seal to break – all Dean’s fault.  Dean not only tortured souls in hell, he ENJOYED doing it (because if Sam has to turn dark, then Dean does too).  And then Dean returned from hell and he&#8217;s not exactly Mr. Sensitive with Sam is he?  No, because if he was, then Dean *would* come out smelling like roses, right?  Dean would be sitting high atop his pedestal, where the Sam-only like to criticize Kripke for putting him.  Because if Dean was always soft and sensitive then what excuse could Sam (and the Sam fans) use to excuse Sam actions and his lies.  If Dean had been always gentle and calm with Sam, then Sam would be presented as unsympathetic for continuing down his dark path, continuing to lie to Dean and sneak around with Ruby behind his back.  So the show gives Dean some thorns (lots and lots of thorns) just so that Sam can smell quite rosy.</p>
<p>And no, Dean is not happy with Sam using his powers (which aren&#8217;t actually evil are they?).  He yells and he hits and he reacts badly &#8230; and oh yes, the Sam-only fans LOVE to point this out, even going so far as to accuse Dean of not loving or caring about Sam.  [Yeah, right.]  So because Dean is no longer all consumed with Sam and what Sam needs and Sam&#8217;s destiny (OMG, you mean Dean is his OWN person?!), Dean is criticized for being selfish and non-caring, all so that Sam can appear sympathetic.  Even the angels are made to look like dicks.  Sure, they tell Sam that he’s wrong to use his powers, but since they’re unsympathetic dicks, we shouldn’t blame poor Sam for using them anyway.</p>
<p>So, we have Dean, who&#8217;s at fault for everything thus far.  And then we&#8217;re presented with Sam.  Sam only hooked up with Ruby again because Dean left him all alone in this crap hole of a world (MEAN!).  Sam is only lying to Dean about his powers because Dean is MEAN (he&#8217;s angry, he yells, he hits while Sam never hits back).  Sam is only using his powers to kill demons, and that&#8217;s a good thing, right?  He can kill demons without harming the host.  And he&#8217;s only drinking demon blood to power up to kill Lilith, and that&#8217;s a good thing too.  Sam SAVES Dean, SAVES Castiel, and KILLS Dean&#8217;s evil torturer, Alastair.  Sam’s powers don’t harm anyone but himself, and that’s okay, right?  For almost the entire season, SAM comes out smelling like roses … NOT DEAN.<br />
And even when Sam does get caught drinking demon blood, they have Dean lock him up against his will (MEAN!).  And then we&#8217;re presented with Sam&#8217;s POV.  Everyone is mean to Sam and they just don’t understand what it&#8217;s like to be him.  Sam is just a victim in all this – of the YED, of Ruby, of DEAN – Sam just wants to save the world.  Dean can’t do it (he’s WEAK, he CRIES, he “WHINES”, and he even tells Cas to find someone else because he can’t do it!).  So once again, Sam can be shown to be RIGHT and rosy.</p>
<p>So now, I imagine that Dean will be painted as some kind of racist against demon-blood addicts because he no longer believes that Sam is “his” Sam and called him a monster (MEAN!).  And its apparently Dean’s fault that Sam nearly choked him to death (I&#8217;ve seen the Sam-only fans say it was all to protect Dean?!).  Sam just wanted Dean to join him and his sweet and helpful bff Ruby to go off and save the world.  What&#8217;s wrong with that?  But instead Dean tells poor abused Sam that if he walks out that door he can’t come back (MEAN!). </p>
<p>I would LOVE it for ONCE if Sam has to take the blame for something – if the show presents Sam’s actions as wrong and actually holds him accountable.  Because for ONCE, Dean deserves to be the one *not* to have to admit, as he did in last season’s finale, that it’s “ALL HIS FAULT.”  For ONCE, I’d like those words to come out of Sam’s mouth instead of Dean’s.  And then (and only then) would I consider them to be equally smelling of roses.  But right now, Sam is definitely coming out the rosier of the two.</p>
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		<title>By: momentarygrace</title>
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		<dc:creator>momentarygrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical rundown, loaded with typical fandom prejudices. Maybe Part 2 will be more interesting.</description>
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